Windows Vista

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Народ,

Кто ооставил Vista? впечатления... ?

[Wedge]

Народ,

Кто ооставил Vista? впечатления... ?

Тебе спокойная жизнь надоела?
Ну, пробовал я. Снес через день.
Рекомендую подождать первого Service pack-а. Ну и писюк должен быть помощнее. Теперь и видео-карта стала иметь значение, дожили (у меня всегда самое слабое место в PC - видео карта, зачем она программисту?)

[Agregat]

В игры играть :)

[AvDav]

Life is short, play more (c)

[Varg]

Снес в тот же день - incompatibility with MS SQL Server 2005, minor incompatibilities with VS2005, waiting for SPs

Хотя на днях переставлю на отдельный партишн, для поиграцца

[CyberJoe]

Если пытаться на этом деле работать, то жутко не удобно. так что на работе у меня ессесно XP.
А вот дома где царит полный Энтертайнмент. Виста стоит у меня уже недели три и бесспроблем :) Вполне приличная ОС. а игры на ней как удобно играть ;)

[Varg]

Если пытаться на этом деле работать, то жутко не удобно. так что на работе у меня ессесно XP.
А вот дома где царит полный Энтертайнмент. Виста стоит у меня уже недели три и бесспроблем :) Вполне приличная ОС. а игры на ней как удобно играть ;)

по несчастливому стечению обстоятельств работаю также и дома.... так что ентертайнмент нам только снится ;)

[W_z_rd]

Postavil. Poka dovolen i snoit` ne sobirayus`. Izmeniya po sravneniyu s XP v osnovnom v interface-e, yadro to zhe samoe. Est` poleznie fichi.
Interface ochen` krasiviy, nesravnenno luchshe XP.
Problemi s driverami ochen` mnogix ustroystv, no ix vpolne mozhno zamenit` driverami dlia XP.
Crack ne srabotal, proshlos` installirovat` budushim chislom. Esli kto-to znaet i ukazhet nadezhniy crack - budu obyazan.

[W_z_rd]

Da, dlya informacii: RAM 1GB, HDD - 120GB, P4 2.8GHz, GeForce 5200

[Silver]

Postavil. Poka dovolen i snoit` ne sobirayus`. Izmeniya po sravneniyu s XP v osnovnom v interface-e, yadro to zhe samoe.


That was the understatement of the year! Sure we can say that Vista's Kernel is a continuation of NT, but it has been quite modified in Vista! For example, graphical drivers are now moved to the user space from the kernel space. It implements techniques like I/O priorities, memory priorities, the thread scheduler has been replaced, the Hardware Abstraction Layer has been completely revisited!! The document below discusses some of Vista's kernel details, in a very brief manner:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/c/5/9c5b2167-8017-4bae-9fde-d599bac8184a/kernel-en.doc

[Vazgen Abgaryan]

Нормально вроде но думаю с интерфейсом немного переборщили, уж слишком все наваречено и 3-х мерно
Проблем с системой не было но вот убедить ее установить драйвер моего саунда не удалось мне, родственнику на Creative LIVE тоже....

[W_z_rd]

Silver, I didn't go into details, I don't care much. What matters to me at this point is that NO ESSENTIAL CHANGES mage into the system and I can continue using pretty much all the programs I used to run on my XP system. Hacking into Vista internals is none of my concern right now .
But thanks for information anyway. Would have been better if you could provide us with the source, unless your statement is result of your own research efforts.

[Silver]

W_z_rd, define 'essential changes' :)

If, hypothetically, you could run all your XP programs on Wine under Linux, would it mean that the kernels of Linux and XP are the same?

My statements are flowing out of my own research. Some of the points mentioned can be found in the document linked at the bottom of my previous post :) Any of the points can easily be checked with Google. Just search for the point + " Vista".

Hacking into Vista internals is none of my concern
Then why mention Vista's kernel? Kernel is a very technical word and has quite a strict meaning. Let's say, kernel is the most internal 'Vista internal' that you could mention :)

If we're talking from the user's perspective, just because the buttons, the listboxes, the IE and the Office remind of their older versions, and just because there still are icons in Vista doesn't mean it has the same kernel as XP. Also, just because the same application runs on different systems doesn't mean they share the same kernel. Running an application is a very complex task.

Anyway, I guess we're just arguing about the usage of the word 'kernel' :) My point is that Vista does not have the same kernel as XP:


...yadro to zhe samoe...


And my point is correct from any perspective merely because there are no different meanings for the word 'kernel' for professionals and desktop
users :P

[{arsen}]

по несчастливому стечению обстоятельств работаю также и дома.... так что ентертайнмент нам только снится ;)
:zdra: :beer: шалом, коллега по несчастью;)

я не стал заморачиваться.. сразу подожду пока выйдет SP1 или еще лучше SP2)

[Professor]

Esli kto-to znaet i ukazhet nadezhniy crack - budu obyazan.
Не искал, могу подбросить ссылки на кряковые сайты - хотИшь?

[W_z_rd]

...
And my point is correct from any perspective merely because there are no different meanings for the word 'kernel' for professionals and desktop
users :P
Sir, you're missing a point here: when I say "yadro" I don't mean "kernel". Believe me, I know what the word "kernel" means in professional jargon, but this is not pofessional forum and I'm not obliged to be strict on meaning of terms. Vista supports all the device drivers for XP - this is what means "essential" to me as a user. Don't give me an example of Linux running XP programs, it's completely irrelevant: you cannot run XP programs under Linux AT ALL without using some extra layer of s/w :)

P.S. Do you think this discussion makes any sense ? I'm afraid I don't.

[W_z_rd]

Не искал, могу подбросить ссылки на кряковые сайты - хотИшь?
Da net, spasibo - ya chista v celyax ekonomii vremeni. Iskat`-to ya i sam iskal, nashel chto esli sinstallit` ego s datoy let na 50 vpered, a potom vernut` nazad, to on eshe doolgo ne budet prosit` aktivacii. Vot etim i polzuyus`. Para drugix krekov ne pomogla potomu xochetsa proverennix krekov. No v lyubom sluchae spasibo za podderzhku.

[Silver]

Sir, you're missing a point here: when I say "yadro" I don't mean "kernel".
I sure am :) Case closed.


Just out of curiosity.. why do you think Vista does not run those XP drivers with some sort of an extra s/w layer... :(

[W_z_rd]

I sure am :) Case closed.

Ok :)


Just out of curiosity.. why do you think Vista does not run those XP drivers with some sort of an extra s/w layer... :(
Intuition. Simply because
a) Microsoft usually never does
b) Why would it? It doesn't make much of a sense to me.
Do you think it does ? I'd be very surprised if it's so !

[Silver]

Excerpt from MSDN, "Internal Compatibility Layer":

...Windows XP applications that run on Windows Vista will be able to communicate with Windows Vista drivers, and Windows Vista applications will be able to communicate with Windows XP drivers that run on Windows Vista.


Why? I guess to make it easier for XP users to move to Vista.

[Silver]

Moreover, even DirectX9 and GDI (which apparently doesn't exist in Vista anymore) drivers will only work through the compatibility layer, thus the ~30-50% performance hit for DirectX9 applications.

[W_z_rd]

Sound more like Vista supports two type of drivers, rather than running one type over another. Curious...

[Silver]

That would be ridiculous.

Microsoft wants Vista to become its next mainstream OS, next stage of development. Vista is more different from XP than XP from 2000 or 2000 from NT. With time, most of XP users will move to Vista, and MS pushes quite a campaign for making this 'transfer' as rapid as possible. Supporting natively both XP and the new Vista techs would be an enormous job for the OS. Memory management, HAL, HEL, I/O, almost everything that makes an 'OS' is redesigned - not just improved. Even the filesystem was planned to be changed with WinFS, which however didn't make it in time and will come with the next release of Vista.

There is no meaning in supporting 2 drivers if eventually the second type of drivers is not gonna be used by anyone. Emulation is much rather preferred in this case. DirectX 10 is already out with stunning new features and almost rewritten/redesigned from scratch.. Most of people don't use OpenGL for graphics development anymore.. Most major companies already came up with Vista-native drivers. Why keep the OS heavy for something that's dying?

In any case, a more thorough research should be conducted :) However, with the new I/O model, I don't believe direct support of the older drivers (without any layer) is possible.

Cheers!

[W_z_rd]

Very impressive! This is just too good to be true :)
Remember when Win 95 came, I read a lot ot similar articles :) Lets hope this time this is not jut a hoax.

[Hawk]

Postavil. Poka dovolen i snoit` ne sobirayus`. Izmeniya po sravneniyu s XP v osnovnom v interface-e, yadro to zhe samoe. Est` poleznie fichi.
Interface ochen` krasiviy, nesravnenno luchshe XP.
Problemi s driverami ochen` mnogix ustroystv, no ix vpolne mozhno zamenit` driverami dlia XP.
Crack ne srabotal, proshlos` installirovat` budushim chislom. Esli kto-to znaet i ukazhet nadezhniy crack - budu obyazan.

если еще нужен кряк, напиши в личку, пошлю мылом.

[Hawk]

поставил Висту, уже 2 месяца.

полет нормальный,
с драйверам все ок, есть и потихоньку выходят то что не было.

А впечатления очень положительные, красивый интерфейс,
куча наворотов (которые по тихоньку отключаешь :))

Рекомендую.

Правда есть моменты в плане совместимости с олд прогами

[Varg]

А я поставил виста трансформатион пак, та же виста но нема проблем с incompatibility

[hex]

а мне dos нравился....:(

[Silver]

а мне dos нравился....:(

Чем же?

[hex]

Чем же?

отсутствием многозадачности :p и соответственно проблем

[ByTheWay]

Windows Vista Upgrade Decision Flowchart
http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2007/02/vista_big.jpg

[Varg]

а мне dos нравился....:(

маладец, особливо тебе нравилось писать на асме, я так думаю :)

[hex]

маладец, особливо тебе нравилось писать на асме, я так думаю :)
и на стенах :spin:

[Varg]

и на стенах :spin:

в этом ты весь :crackup: