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Old 17.07.2008, 14:33   #1
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Default Проблема Карабаха

Уважаемые пользователи,
так как очень многие выражали недовольство тем что в АрмАз нельзя обсуждать Карабахский конфликт я открываю эту тему.
Здесь вы можете выразить Ваши мнения по данной проблеме, Ваши представления о будущем НКР.
Далее я не бу препятствовать обсуждениям этой темы.

Просьба всем при обсуждениях не нарушать норм этики.

С уважением, Стингер
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Old 17.07.2008, 15:46   #2
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tqac paya. hesa 2 koxmic arnaxumner ksksen irar kokord krcel.

hayer kapacucen vor adrbejan ski goyutyun chuni, tenc azg chka vor qandveluya vax te ush u ira taracqum arajanan mi qani ankax petutyunner, xosqi Lezgistan, Talishistan, Arcax, Utiq yev ayln (es tipi hayeri datoxutyunner i verjo hangecnum en margareutyan, isk irenq margareneri inch ases? irakanutyan zgacoxutyan krizisi depqum xexcherin mnuma yerazel u margarenanal)


adrbejanciq el skselu en apacucel vor hayastan ski giyutyan iravunq chuner vor irakanum hayastani mec masi hoxer adrbejanin en patkanel mi mas vrastanin mi mas parskastanin mi masn el turqiayin u hesa qich mnac kharcakven mer vra u kverakangnen patmakan ardarutyun vor hayer qochvor azg en u pti qochen lusin qani vor nduc en vaxtin ngel


isk es ameni fonin xarabaxum mardu shunch chka aprox, u vor hankarc asenq 94 in adrbejanciq gravac linein xarabax erevi nuyn bann er linelu. tarber garshoknerum inchpes asvuma. patchar parzic parza. Xarabaxn u xarabaxcin aprum ein 2 hasarakutyunnerum NUYNAQANAK integrvacutyan paymannerum. vonc vor erku yerakic snucves. Vor mi yerakn el ktren kyanqd kdandaxi kam kkangni. Mard mi yerikamov apruma u lriv normal bayc kes srtov chi kara apri. Paterazmi axavnin savarnuma der odum, cerukner nstac en patki tak u or ori hashvum en irenc gyuxeri nvazox bnakchutyun.

mer arnaxum hayer ste parza kapacucen vor pti menq hasarakakan naxadzernutyamb u petutyunn ira hertin qayler dzernarki pti xarabax verabnakecnenq, ashxuzacnenq ban man. qyasar mi ban vor 20 tariya asvum arvuma bayc de... parza mer arnaxumikner kasen lav chi argvum iii yes lineyi 2 tarum voti kangnacneyi xarabax ban man

nmanatip baner el mer hargarzan arnaxum adrbejanciq en asum bayc parza iranc ibr motalut gravumic heto.

u senc tarinern ancnum en, bnakchutyun nvazuma, qar qari vra chi mnum gyuxerum isk "AZGAYIN" yerkkoxmani propagandan snuma erku koxmi arnaxumnerin. de es el es madkanc sirtna inch anes? yerak pakes kmernen. ba mexk chen?

Imijayloc en mardkanc ovqer kmtacen anvstahutyun haxordel tvyalneris asem. Kins Arcaxica Mec Shen gyuxic. Martakerti shrjan. 4 angam gravvela adrbejanciqi koxmic het trvel. Indz tvuam haskanum eq incha nshanakum MEC SHEN. anun yentadruma vor pti ndex arnvazn aveli shat mard apri qan POQR SHEN-um. v principe tenca. Nshem vor poqr shenn arden vaxuc goyutyun chuni isk MEC SHENUM aprum e 2-3 HAYASTANABNAK ntaniq. nenc vor aveli shata.

Arcaxi intergrvacutyan u 2 erakneri masin. Orinak knojs pap institut avartela Baqvum voch te yerevanum, MEC SHENCIN zamanakin ira xndzorn u tandz caxum er inchpes martakertum aynpes el adrbejanabnak Gyanjayum, Kelbajarum yev ayln.

pilisopayeq erku koxmd el arnaxumner !

esi bun haykakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ...
esi bun adrbejanakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ...

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Old 17.07.2008, 16:08   #3
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Уважаемый Ереха


Полностью согласен с Вашим постом и сам стараюсь придерживаться этой политики, но при всем уважении, могли бы вы перевести Ваш пост на английский язык, так как не каждый может понять что тут написано (предполагается что раздел интернациональный).

Далее Ваши посты на армянском языке буду редактировать т.к. они противоречат правилам раздела
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Old 17.07.2008, 17:13   #4
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OK Stinger.
Here is the translation



No way. We will see how blood****ers from both sides will start to crack each others throat

Armenians will try to prove that Azerbaijan is a fake country. It would've not existed. There is no such nation Azerbaijani. Soon or late the state will fall and instead we will see couple of free states like Lezgistan, Talishistan, Artsakh, Utikh.
(this type of ideologies on the long run become prophecies and people prophets. What can we do? lack of realism makes these people dream and prophesy )

Azerbaijanis also will try to prove that Armenia never existed before and the state had been divided between Georgia, Azerbaijan, Persia and Turkey and so on. And they will prove that a little left and after we will all see Armenians flying to the moon as because they came from there.



And on the other hand there os no soul living in Karabakh(Artsakh) and if let's say in 94 Azerbaijanis had won it would have been the same. And the reason is simple. Kharabakh and Kharabakhians were living in 2 societies fully integrated: with Armenia and with Azerbaijan. Like having two aortas for one heart. And if one of them is tied and closed life will stop with only one. One could live with one kidney but one could not live with half a heart. War bird is flying in the sky and the older are sitting in the "meydan" and counting the declining population.

our blood****er Armenians will try to prove that we should do something about this. government or social organizations or individuals. Hat we should occupy lands with "inhabitants" from Armenia or so. Shortly they will scream about things that are being done continuously for 20 years but but .. OK we see these people will try to prove that no efforts are being made towards the problem and we need more actions as if they were they would have raised Karabakh from the black hole for 2 years ...

The similar things will try to prove our friendly Azerbaijani blood****ers which of course they will execute after their over winning of territory.

And so years pass, population's declining and these NATIONAL PROPAGANDA feeds blood****ers from two sides. What can we do ? This is their meal. It's not human to let them die with no meal

BTW for those who do not believe to facts I wrote here. My wife is from Artsakh(Karabakh) , from Mets Shen village. In Armenian this means Big Village. It is in Martakert region. It was won and given back by Azerbaijanis 4 times. Well the name speaks for itself. At least it should be bigger than Small Village. isn't it? Well it is bigger... Small Village does not exist anymore. And Mets Shen consists of 2-3 families from Armenia. So 2-3 is bigger than 0.

About integration of Artsakh. For example my wife's grandfather (from mother line who is from village Dahrav in Stepanakert's region) studied in Azerbaijan(Baku) and not in Yerevan. Another example Met's Shenians used to sell their goods both in Martakert market and in Gyanja and Kelbajar.

Philosophize you blood****ers from both sides.

"this is native Armenian land, you are fake nation"
"this is native Azerbaijani land, you fake nation"

this and that ... blah blah blah ...
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Old 17.07.2008, 21:07   #5
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Dear Երեխա

Thank you very much for your translation.
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Old 20.07.2008, 07:45   #6
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Нет обсуждения -- не проблемы
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Old 21.07.2008, 17:10   #7
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А проблема то есть !!!
Если поспрашивать нашу молдоежь что они думают об азербайджанцах то услышишь фразу выражающую безразличие, а у азербайджанцев все наоборот.
Карабах Бизимдир, ты трус, ты раб, ты армянин, и прочее ...

И в этом опасность (к сожалению)
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Old 21.07.2008, 17:34   #8
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Stinger, Ну тогда спроси армян что они думают о турках. Сторона продувшая войну/территории разумеется не то же самое что выигравшая войну. Так что ничего экстраординарного в этом нет. Все предсказуемо. И попытки реванша тоже предсказуемы. Просто чем дольше будет статус кво тем меньше шансов будет отвоевать землю.
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Quote:
u senc tarinern ancnum en, bnakchutyun nvazuma
achqis yerevi verdjum islam endunenq prtznenq ham ed problemic ( bnakchutyune miangamic katji ) ham el psevdohumanist psevdokristonea-psevdodemokrat demagogneric vor es azgi energyan vampirneri nman tztzum en. ha tztzum en u verdje chi erevum. ham el verdjapes xaghagh kaprenq turkeri u adrbedjancineri het.
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Old 23.07.2008, 07:45   #10
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Хама тэ ентадрир...
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Hatuk nranc hamar ovker mardkanc tvaqanaki masin datoghutyunnere anum en vochxarabutzutan makardakov, aysinkn vor shat xotov snes, btes u kerakres aveli shat atj ktan

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Old 23.07.2008, 08:30   #12
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Մոնո ջան, այս տվյալները որ ժամանակախատվածի կտրվածքով են?
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Mono tesar hetanos chenq darnum dzev chi uzum es hima el musulman darcnes ?
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so what's keeping you back from starting the siege of baku?
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