Проблема Карабаха

Stinger · Jul 17, 2008, 13:33

Уважаемые пользователи,
так как очень многие выражали недовольство тем что в АрмАз нельзя обсуждать Карабахский конфликт я открываю эту тему.
Здесь вы можете выразить Ваши мнения по данной проблеме, Ваши представления о будущем НКР.
Далее я не бу препятствовать обсуждениям этой темы.

Просьба всем при обсуждениях не нарушать норм этики.

С уважением, Стингер

Երեխա · Jul 17, 2008, 14:46

tqac paya. hesa 2 koxmic arnaxumner ksksen irar kokord krcel.

hayer kapacucen vor adrbejan ski goyutyun chuni, tenc azg chka vor qandveluya vax te ush u ira taracqum arajanan mi qani ankax petutyunner, xosqi Lezgistan, Talishistan, Arcax, Utiq yev ayln (es tipi hayeri datoxutyunner i verjo hangecnum en margareutyan, isk irenq margareneri inch ases? irakanutyan zgacoxutyan krizisi depqum xexcherin mnuma yerazel u margarenanal)

adrbejanciq el skselu en apacucel vor hayastan ski giyutyan iravunq chuner vor irakanum hayastani mec masi hoxer adrbejanin en patkanel mi mas vrastanin mi mas parskastanin mi masn el turqiayin u hesa qich mnac kharcakven mer vra u kverakangnen patmakan ardarutyun vor hayer qochvor azg en u pti qochen lusin qani vor nduc en vaxtin ngel

isk es ameni fonin xarabaxum mardu shunch chka aprox, u vor hankarc asenq 94 in adrbejanciq gravac linein xarabax erevi nuyn bann er linelu. tarber garshoknerum inchpes asvuma. patchar parzic parza. Xarabaxn u xarabaxcin aprum ein 2 hasarakutyunnerum NUYNAQANAK integrvacutyan paymannerum. vonc vor erku yerakic snucves. Vor mi yerakn el ktren kyanqd kdandaxi kam kkangni. Mard mi yerikamov apruma u lriv normal bayc kes srtov chi kara apri. Paterazmi axavnin savarnuma der odum, cerukner nstac en patki tak u or ori hashvum en irenc gyuxeri nvazox bnakchutyun.

mer arnaxum hayer ste parza kapacucen vor pti menq hasarakakan naxadzernutyamb u petutyunn ira hertin qayler dzernarki pti xarabax verabnakecnenq, ashxuzacnenq ban man. qyasar mi ban vor 20 tariya asvum arvuma bayc de... parza mer arnaxumikner kasen lav chi argvum iii yes lineyi 2 tarum voti kangnacneyi xarabax ban man

nmanatip baner el mer hargarzan arnaxum adrbejanciq en asum bayc parza iranc ibr motalut gravumic heto.

u senc tarinern ancnum en, bnakchutyun nvazuma, qar qari vra chi mnum gyuxerum isk "AZGAYIN" yerkkoxmani propagandan snuma erku koxmi arnaxumnerin. de es el es madkanc sirtna inch anes? yerak pakes kmernen. ba mexk chen?

Imijayloc en mardkanc ovqer kmtacen anvstahutyun haxordel tvyalneris asem. Kins Arcaxica Mec Shen gyuxic. Martakerti shrjan. 4 angam gravvela adrbejanciqi koxmic het trvel. Indz tvuam haskanum eq incha nshanakum MEC SHEN. anun yentadruma vor pti ndex arnvazn aveli shat mard apri qan POQR SHEN-um. v principe tenca. Nshem vor poqr shenn arden vaxuc goyutyun chuni isk MEC SHENUM aprum e 2-3 HAYASTANABNAK ntaniq. nenc vor aveli shata.

Arcaxi intergrvacutyan u 2 erakneri masin. Orinak knojs pap institut avartela Baqvum voch te yerevanum, MEC SHENCIN zamanakin ira xndzorn u tandz caxum er inchpes martakertum aynpes el adrbejanabnak Gyanjayum, Kelbajarum yev ayln.

pilisopayeq erku koxmd el arnaxumner !

esi bun haykakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ...
esi bun adrbejanakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ...

flan fstan ...

Stinger · Jul 17, 2008, 15:08

Уважаемый Ереха

Полностью согласен с Вашим постом и сам стараюсь придерживаться этой политики, но при всем уважении, могли бы вы перевести Ваш пост на английский язык, так как не каждый может понять что тут написано (предполагается что раздел интернациональный).

Далее Ваши посты на армянском языке буду редактировать т.к. они противоречат правилам раздела

Երեխա · Jul 17, 2008, 16:13

OK Stinger.
Here is the translation

No way. We will see how blood****ers from both sides will start to crack each others throat

Armenians will try to prove that Azerbaijan is a fake country. It would've not existed. There is no such nation Azerbaijani. Soon or late the state will fall and instead we will see couple of free states like Lezgistan, Talishistan, Artsakh, Utikh.
(this type of ideologies on the long run become prophecies and people prophets. What can we do? lack of realism makes these people dream and prophesy )

Azerbaijanis also will try to prove that Armenia never existed before and the state had been divided between Georgia, Azerbaijan, Persia and Turkey and so on. And they will prove that a little left and after we will all see Armenians flying to the moon as because they came from there.

And on the other hand there os no soul living in Karabakh(Artsakh) and if let's say in 94 Azerbaijanis had won it would have been the same. And the reason is simple. Kharabakh and Kharabakhians were living in 2 societies fully integrated: with Armenia and with Azerbaijan. Like having two aortas for one heart. And if one of them is tied and closed life will stop with only one. One could live with one kidney but one could not live with half a heart. War bird is flying in the sky and the older are sitting in the "meydan" and counting the declining population.

our blood****er Armenians will try to prove that we should do something about this. government or social organizations or individuals. Hat we should occupy lands with "inhabitants" from Armenia or so. Shortly they will scream about things that are being done continuously for 20 years but but .. OK we see these people will try to prove that no efforts are being made towards the problem and we need more actions as if they were they would have raised Karabakh from the black hole for 2 years ...

The similar things will try to prove our friendly Azerbaijani blood****ers which of course they will execute after their over winning of territory.

And so years pass, population's declining and these NATIONAL PROPAGANDA feeds blood****ers from two sides. What can we do ? This is their meal. It's not human to let them die with no meal

BTW for those who do not believe to facts I wrote here. My wife is from Artsakh(Karabakh) , from Mets Shen village. In Armenian this means Big Village. It is in Martakert region. It was won and given back by Azerbaijanis 4 times. Well the name speaks for itself. At least it should be bigger than Small Village. isn't it? Well it is bigger... Small Village does not exist anymore. And Mets Shen consists of 2-3 families from Armenia. So 2-3 is bigger than 0.

About integration of Artsakh. For example my wife's grandfather (from mother line who is from village Dahrav in Stepanakert's region) studied in Azerbaijan(Baku) and not in Yerevan. Another example Met's Shenians used to sell their goods both in Martakert market and in Gyanja and Kelbajar.

Philosophize you blood****ers from both sides.

"this is native Armenian land, you are fake nation"
"this is native Azerbaijani land, you fake nation"

this and that ... blah blah blah ...

Stinger · Jul 17, 2008, 20:07

Dear Երեխա

Thank you very much for your translation.

Hetanos · Jul 20, 2008, 06:45

Нет обсуждения -- не проблемы

Stinger · Jul 21, 2008, 16:10

А проблема то есть !!!
Если поспрашивать нашу молдоежь что они думают об азербайджанцах то услышишь фразу выражающую безразличие, а у азербайджанцев все наоборот.
Карабах Бизимдир, ты трус, ты раб, ты армянин, и прочее ...

И в этом опасность (к сожалению)

Hetanos · Jul 21, 2008, 16:34

Stinger, Ну тогда спроси армян что они думают о турках. Сторона продувшая войну/территории разумеется не то же самое что выигравшая войну. Так что ничего экстраординарного в этом нет. Все предсказуемо. И попытки реванша тоже предсказуемы. Просто чем дольше будет статус кво тем меньше шансов будет отвоевать землю.

Mono · Jul 23, 2008, 06:34

Quote:

u senc tarinern ancnum en, bnakchutyun nvazuma

achqis yerevi verdjum islam endunenq prtznenq ham ed problemic ( bnakchutyune miangamic katji ) ham el psevdohumanist psevdokristonea-psevdodemokrat demagogneric vor es azgi energyan vampirneri nman tztzum en. ha tztzum en u verdje chi erevum. ham el verdjapes xaghagh kaprenq turkeri u adrbedjancineri het.

unknown · Jul 23, 2008, 06:45

Хама тэ ентадрир...

Mono · Jul 23, 2008, 07:04

Hatuk nranc hamar ovker mardkanc tvaqanaki masin datoghutyunnere anum en vochxarabutzutan makardakov, aysinkn vor shat xotov snes, btes u kerakres aveli shat atj ktan

obana · Jul 23, 2008, 07:30

Մոնո ջան, այս տվյալները որ ժամանակախատվածի կտրվածքով են?

Mono · Jul 23, 2008, 07:43

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Երեխա · Jul 23, 2008, 14:12

Mono tesar hetanos chenq darnum dzev chi uzum es hima el musulman darcnes ?

Hrach_Techie · Sep 5, 2008, 07:15

so what's keeping you back from starting the siege of baku?

Jul 17, 2008, 13:33	#1
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 570 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 22	Проблема Карабаха Уважаемые пользователи, так как очень многие выражали недовольство тем что в АрмАз нельзя обсуждать Карабахский конфликт я открываю эту тему. Здесь вы можете выразить Ваши мнения по данной проблеме, Ваши представления о будущем НКР. Далее я не бу препятствовать обсуждениям этой темы. Просьба всем при обсуждениях не нарушать норм этики. С уважением, Стингер __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Jul 17, 2008, 14:46	#2
Երեխա Академик Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shambala Posts: 6,853 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 214	tqac paya. hesa 2 koxmic arnaxumner ksksen irar kokord krcel. hayer kapacucen vor adrbejan ski goyutyun chuni, tenc azg chka vor qandveluya vax te ush u ira taracqum arajanan mi qani ankax petutyunner, xosqi Lezgistan, Talishistan, Arcax, Utiq yev ayln (es tipi hayeri datoxutyunner i verjo hangecnum en margareutyan, isk irenq margareneri inch ases? irakanutyan zgacoxutyan krizisi depqum xexcherin mnuma yerazel u margarenanal) adrbejanciq el skselu en apacucel vor hayastan ski giyutyan iravunq chuner vor irakanum hayastani mec masi hoxer adrbejanin en patkanel mi mas vrastanin mi mas parskastanin mi masn el turqiayin u hesa qich mnac kharcakven mer vra u kverakangnen patmakan ardarutyun vor hayer qochvor azg en u pti qochen lusin qani vor nduc en vaxtin ngel isk es ameni fonin xarabaxum mardu shunch chka aprox, u vor hankarc asenq 94 in adrbejanciq gravac linein xarabax erevi nuyn bann er linelu. tarber garshoknerum inchpes asvuma. patchar parzic parza. Xarabaxn u xarabaxcin aprum ein 2 hasarakutyunnerum NUYNAQANAK integrvacutyan paymannerum. vonc vor erku yerakic snucves. Vor mi yerakn el ktren kyanqd kdandaxi kam kkangni. Mard mi yerikamov apruma u lriv normal bayc kes srtov chi kara apri. Paterazmi axavnin savarnuma der odum, cerukner nstac en patki tak u or ori hashvum en irenc gyuxeri nvazox bnakchutyun. mer arnaxum hayer ste parza kapacucen vor pti menq hasarakakan naxadzernutyamb u petutyunn ira hertin qayler dzernarki pti xarabax verabnakecnenq, ashxuzacnenq ban man. qyasar mi ban vor 20 tariya asvum arvuma bayc de... parza mer arnaxumikner kasen lav chi argvum iii yes lineyi 2 tarum voti kangnacneyi xarabax ban man nmanatip baner el mer hargarzan arnaxum adrbejanciq en asum bayc parza iranc ibr motalut gravumic heto. u senc tarinern ancnum en, bnakchutyun nvazuma, qar qari vra chi mnum gyuxerum isk "AZGAYIN" yerkkoxmani propagandan snuma erku koxmi arnaxumnerin. de es el es madkanc sirtna inch anes? yerak pakes kmernen. ba mexk chen? Imijayloc en mardkanc ovqer kmtacen anvstahutyun haxordel tvyalneris asem. Kins Arcaxica Mec Shen gyuxic. Martakerti shrjan. 4 angam gravvela adrbejanciqi koxmic het trvel. Indz tvuam haskanum eq incha nshanakum MEC SHEN. anun yentadruma vor pti ndex arnvazn aveli shat mard apri qan POQR SHEN-um. v principe tenca. Nshem vor poqr shenn arden vaxuc goyutyun chuni isk MEC SHENUM aprum e 2-3 HAYASTANABNAK ntaniq. nenc vor aveli shata. Arcaxi intergrvacutyan u 2 erakneri masin. Orinak knojs pap institut avartela Baqvum voch te yerevanum, MEC SHENCIN zamanakin ira xndzorn u tandz caxum er inchpes martakertum aynpes el adrbejanabnak Gyanjayum, Kelbajarum yev ayln. pilisopayeq erku koxmd el arnaxumner ! esi bun haykakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ... esi bun adrbejanakan hoxa duq arhestakan azg eq ... flan fstan ... __________________ Ախպեր դու էմիգրացիան տուրիզմի հետ մի խառնի... http://moskull.livejournal.com/

Jul 17, 2008, 15:08	#3
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 570 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 22	Уважаемый Ереха Полностью согласен с Вашим постом и сам стараюсь придерживаться этой политики, но при всем уважении, могли бы вы перевести Ваш пост на английский язык, так как не каждый может понять что тут написано (предполагается что раздел интернациональный). Далее Ваши посты на армянском языке буду редактировать т.к. они противоречат правилам раздела __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Jul 17, 2008, 16:13	#4
Երեխա Академик Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shambala Posts: 6,853 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 214	OK Stinger. Here is the translation No way. We will see how blood**ers from both sides will start to crack each others throat Armenians will try to prove that Azerbaijan is a fake country. It would've not existed. There is no such nation Azerbaijani. Soon or late the state will fall and instead we will see couple of free states like Lezgistan, Talishistan, Artsakh, Utikh. (this type of ideologies on the long run become prophecies and people prophets. What can we do? lack of realism makes these people dream and prophesy ) Azerbaijanis also will try to prove that Armenia never existed before and the state had been divided between Georgia, Azerbaijan, Persia and Turkey and so on. And they will prove that a little left and after we will all see Armenians flying to the moon as because they came from there. And on the other hand there os no soul living in Karabakh(Artsakh) and if let's say in 94 Azerbaijanis had won it would have been the same. And the reason is simple. Kharabakh and Kharabakhians were living in 2 societies fully integrated: with Armenia and with Azerbaijan. Like having two aortas for one heart. And if one of them is tied and closed life will stop with only one. One could live with one kidney but one could not live with half a heart. War bird is flying in the sky and the older are sitting in the "meydan" and counting the declining population. our blooder Armenians will try to prove that we should do something about this. government or social organizations or individuals. Hat we should occupy lands with "inhabitants" from Armenia or so. Shortly they will scream about things that are being done continuously for 20 years but but .. OK we see these people will try to prove that no efforts are being made towards the problem and we need more actions as if they were they would have raised Karabakh from the black hole for 2 years ... The similar things will try to prove our friendly Azerbaijani blooders which of course they will execute after their over winning of territory. And so years pass, population's declining and these NATIONAL PROPAGANDA feeds blooders from two sides. What can we do ? This is their meal. It's not human to let them die with no meal BTW for those who do not believe to facts I wrote here. My wife is from Artsakh(Karabakh) , from Mets Shen village. In Armenian this means Big Village. It is in Martakert region. It was won and given back by Azerbaijanis 4 times. Well the name speaks for itself. At least it should be bigger than Small Village. isn't it? Well it is bigger... Small Village does not exist anymore. And Mets Shen consists of 2-3 families from Armenia. So 2-3 is bigger than 0. About integration of Artsakh. For example my wife's grandfather (from mother line who is from village Dahrav in Stepanakert's region) studied in Azerbaijan(Baku) and not in Yerevan. Another example Met's Shenians used to sell their goods both in Martakert market and in Gyanja and Kelbajar. Philosophize you blood**ers from both sides. "this is native Armenian land, you are fake nation" "this is native Azerbaijani land, you fake nation" this and that ... blah blah blah ... __________________ Ախպեր դու էմիգրացիան տուրիզմի հետ մի խառնի... http://moskull.livejournal.com/

Jul 17, 2008, 20:07	#5
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 570 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 22	Dear Երեխա Thank you very much for your translation. __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Jul 20, 2008, 06:45	#6
Hetanos Бакалавр Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Back of the Moon Posts: 461 Rep Power: 2 Reputation: 187	Нет обсуждения -- не проблемы

Jul 21, 2008, 16:10	#7
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 570 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 22	А проблема то есть !!! Если поспрашивать нашу молдоежь что они думают об азербайджанцах то услышишь фразу выражающую безразличие, а у азербайджанцев все наоборот. Карабах Бизимдир, ты трус, ты раб, ты армянин, и прочее ... И в этом опасность (к сожалению) __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Jul 21, 2008, 16:34	#8
Hetanos Бакалавр Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Back of the Moon Posts: 461 Rep Power: 2 Reputation: 187	Stinger, Ну тогда спроси армян что они думают о турках. Сторона продувшая войну/территории разумеется не то же самое что выигравшая войну. Так что ничего экстраординарного в этом нет. Все предсказуемо. И попытки реванша тоже предсказуемы. Просто чем дольше будет статус кво тем меньше шансов будет отвоевать землю.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:45	#10
unknown В чём сила брат ? Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ignotum per ignotius Posts: 975 Rep Power: 6 Reputation: 306	Хама тэ ентадрир... __________________ "НЕТ НИЧЕГО ТЯГОСТНЕЕ МУЧИТЕЛЬНОЙ НЕИЗВЕСТНОСТИ." О.Уальд Кроме высшего образования надо иметь хотя бы среднюю сообразительность. Глупости приходят в голову каждому, только умный их не высказывает.

Jul 23, 2008, 07:04	#11
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,406 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 9 Reputation: 102	Hatuk nranc hamar ovker mardkanc tvaqanaki masin datoghutyunnere anum en vochxarabutzutan makardakov, aysinkn vor shat xotov snes, btes u kerakres aveli shat atj ktan __________________ --------------- *Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր* .

Jul 23, 2008, 07:30	#12
obana Ehhh Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: here my friend Posts: 414 Rep Power: 3 Reputation: 121	Մոնո ջան, այս տվյալները որ ժամանակախատվածի կտրվածքով են? __________________ Сколько же пи...анутых на всю голову!.. (с) М/ф "Освободите Джимми".

Jul 23, 2008, 07:43	#13
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,406 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 9 Reputation: 102	Համաշխարհային բանկի զեկույցն է 2005 թվին: Տոկոսը ցույց է տալիս թե 2000-ի համեմատ 2025-ին ինչքան աճ կլինի, ելնելով ընդհանուր տենդենցից: ahousekeeper: РџР°СЂР°Р»Р»РµР»Рё From Red to Gray: The "Third Transition": of Aging Populations in Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet Union __________________ --------------- *Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր* .

Jul 23, 2008, 14:12	#14
Երեխա Академик Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shambala Posts: 6,853 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 214	Mono tesar hetanos chenq darnum dzev chi uzum es hima el musulman darcnes ? __________________ Ախպեր դու էմիգրացիան տուրիզմի հետ մի խառնի... http://moskull.livejournal.com/

Sep 5, 2008, 07:15	#15
Hrach_Techie ★★★★★★★★★★★★★ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ★★★★★★★★★★★★★ Posts: 16,520 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 467	so what's keeping you back from starting the siege of baku? __________________ Мадмазель, Медам, Месье! "Глория" меняет курс и направляется в Кейптаун! Кому это не нравится будет расстрелян на месте. (с) http://texneg.livejournal.com

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