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View Poll Results: Videli li vi etot film ?
Ne videl, i ne zhelayu 0 0%
Ne videl, no xotel by posmotret` 6 35.29%
Menya xvatilo na pervie 20 min etoy muri 4 23.53%
Umudrilsya deosmotret` fil`m do konca 7 41.18%
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Old Aug 29, 2003, 09:37   #1
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2001: A Space Odyssey - S. Kubrick masterpiece

Interesno, kto-nibud` videl etot fil`m, krome ForeverChild-a i Leshkina (a-uuu) ?
Eto bezuslovno luchshiy iz fil`mov, kotorie ya videl tut, v USA i luchshiy fantasticheskiy fil`m iz kogda-libo vidennix mnoy.
Fil`m vizyval i vyzivaet samie protivorechivie otkliki. Dlya odnix eto otkrovenie (kak dlya menya), dlya drugix - skuchnaya mura. Fil`m etot o cheloveke i chelovechestve: o ego proshlom, nastoyashem i budushem. O progresse (texnicheskom i ne tol`ko) chelovechestva i o smisle etogo progressa.
Interesno uslishat` mnenie tex, kto sumel dosmotret` etot til`m do konca.
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Old Aug 30, 2003, 07:17   #2
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Nado by v ERevane vecher ustroit` posvyaschenyj Odissee S prosmotrom i s ugoscheniyami
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Old Aug 30, 2003, 09:31   #3
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Ya ne videla, no xotelos' b@ posmotret'. U kogo-nibud' tut est'?

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Old Aug 30, 2003, 20:22   #4
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весь фильм гадал, при чем тут "одиссея 2001" и почему а.к. не проклял его (как станислав лем - все попытки экранизировать "солярис"). на мой взгляд - затянутый и максимально скучно снятый фильм, какой-то для своих, для ценителей и режиссеров. "заводнй апельсин", по-моему, посильнее. хотя там сценарий конечно сам по себе шедевр...
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Gayka - ja ved` 24-ogo priletayu s detishkami, ura, ura Vtretimsya obyazatel`no

tig - ja , v obschem, ne svoy "cenitel'" ili "rezhisser", no mne fil`m kak-to s pervykh kadrov ponravilsya, kogda pokazyvajut doistoricheskuyu Zemlyu... i dalee - polet na Yupiter... Vse ponravilos`.

A vot Zavodnoy Apel`sin - tut delo , po-moemu, ne v scenarii. Fil`m, kazhetsya, ineresnee chem kniga. Tochnee, on menja bol`she vpechatlil, chem sam roman.

Nu lana, skol`ko ljudej, stol`ko mneniy
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Old Aug 30, 2003, 21:35   #6
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весь фильм гадал, при чем тут "одиссея 2001" и почему а.к. не проклял его (как станислав лем - все попытки экранизировать "солярис"). на мой взгляд - затянутый и максимально скучно снятый фильм, какой-то для своих, для ценителей и режиссеров. "заводнй апельсин", по-моему, посильнее. хотя там сценарий конечно сам по себе шедевр...
Clark ne mog proklyat` Odisseyu, t.k. kniga poyavilas` neskolk`o pozzhe fil`ma, a scenariy oni pisali vmeste (v opredelennom smisle: naskol`ko eto vozmozhno pisat` "vmeste" s Kubrikom). A Lem, konechno zhe, bil ne prav, rugaya rezhisserov, t.k. film - eto ne kino, i rezhisser, kak pravilo, ispol`zuet xud. proizvedenie isklyuchitel`no kak sredstvo vdoxnoveniya. Est` i isklyucheniya, tipa "Lord Of The Rings" ili "Voyna i Mir" Bondarchuka, no tam bila kak raz bila konkretnaya zadacha sledovat` bukve i duxu, kak govoritsya.

Film zatyanutiy ? Po-moemu tam ni odnogo lishnego kadra voobshe net ! Skuchniy ? Ne dlya menya. Vizual`nie effekti (ne dinamichnie i ne komyuternie) - voobshe skuchat` ne dayut. Nu, a esli "dlya svoix", to eto prosto kompliment dlya menya - schitat`sya "svoim" v kubrikovskoy kompanii. Odnako obidno, chto "svoix" mnogovato - millioni
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tig наилучшим образом выразил мое отношение к этому фильму: "на мой взгляд - затянутый и максимально скучно снятый фильм"

[offtop]Еще один скучнейший кубриковский фильм: "Лолита"[/offtop]
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Pishet Helen :

Etot maksimal`no skuchnyj fil`m posle 33-kh (!) let suschestvovaniya do sikh por v US prodaetsya po cene novykh fil`mov. Ego po sey den` mostryat i lyubyat.

A v Armenii, uverena, on ne proshel by...navernyaka. Lyudi kak-to slishkom zanyaty pogonej za khlebom nasushnym, chtob sozercat` kosmicheskie peyzazhi .

[offtopic] - A kakoy fil`m Kubrika ne yavlyaetsya zhutko skuchnym?[/offtopic]
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Обратите внимание на фрагмент: "на мой взгляд..."

[ответный offtopic] Нескучные фильмы Кубрика из тех, что вспомнил сразу: The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Clockwork orange [ответный offtopic]
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Groul - Nu, ya kak raz ob etom - skol`ko lyudey, stol`ko i mneniy
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Nado by v ERevane vecher ustroit` posvyaschenyj Odissee S prosmotrom i s ugoscheniyami
2 Helen: Ya uzhe ustroila U menya doma sobralis' druzya na screw driver s blinami... Pervie minut 20 vse byli v dikom vostorge .... Vsyu ostal'nuyu chast' vechera eti minut 20 activno repetirovalis' i sosedi do six por vspominayut obezyaniy vopl' do 3 nochi...
Fil'm ne dosmotreli Tak kak schas ya fil'm nayti ne smogla (esli est' u kogo, please eli....) to rasskazhu o vpechatlenmiyax s pervogo nedosmotrennogo raza...

Mne pokazalos', chto eto kakaya-to slishkom razzhevannaya philosofiya... T.e. "Vot nedochelovek... On primitiven, on begaet i prygaet... Est' CHTO-TO absolutnoe, kotoroe emu ne dostupno, no vsegda interesno... I vot etot nedochelovek cherez tysyachi let... Nichego ne izmenilos'..." Pri etom fil'm razbrosan (IMHO) ogromnym kolichestvom eklektichnoy simvoliki... To kristal, kotoriy mozhet simvolizirovat' cherti znaet kakoe kolichestvo veschey... To rebenok...
Odnim slovom, "chsiretsi"

Naschet togo, chto prodaetsya v US... IMHO eto normal'no. Eto ne "Evropeyskiy fil'm", tem bolee ne "oriental"... Vo vsyakom sluchae on mne pokazalsya necorrektnym v tom slysle, chto navyazyvaet slishkom otkrytuyu simvoliku, ne ostavlyaet mesta voobrazheniyu i pri etom trogaet takie materii kak "chelovechstvo, cosmos, absolut"...
Isklyuchitel'no IMHestO...
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P.S. No obyazatel'no posmotryu! Chtoby ponyat' pochemu on, naprimer, W_z_rd-u nravitsya... V US to on prodaetsya potomu chto vyzyvaet reakciyu "WOW!!! Tak vot kak vsyo bylo!!!"
No vidimo chto-to poseryeznee tak@ ka...
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По моему этот фильм - грандиозный режиссёрский провал.К сожалению я увидел его раньше,чем прочитал книгу,которая на мой взгляд очень не плоха(не более).По поводу всяких откровений.....Любой фантастический фильм или роман - не более чем красивая мечта,а в худшем случае - отвратительный бред.Думаю,что таким вещам далеко до откровений.
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( Eto pishet Helen )

Gayka - ja ved` 24-ogo priletayu s detishkami, ura, ura Vtretimsya obyazatel`no

A vot Zavodnoy Apel`sin - tut delo , po-moemu, ne v scenarii. Fil`m, kazhetsya, ineresnee chem kniga. Tochnee, on menja bol`she vpechatlil, chem sam roman.

Helen, ura!!!

A ya i ne znala, chto est' kniga. Ne podskazhesh, gde mozhno nayti? Kto avtor?
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Old Sep 1, 2003, 07:01   #15
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Naschet togo, chto prodaetsya v US... IMHO eto normal'no. Eto ne "Evropeyskiy fil'm", tem bolee ne "oriental"...
neMarina-jan, sporit` mne po etomu povodu ne khochetsya , no vse-taki vyskazhus` .... Ty khochesh` skazat`, chto fil`m zdes` populyaren imenno potomu, chto eto chto-to "bolee ili menee prilichnoe rodnoe amerikanskoe"?

No fil`m-to imenno evropeyskiy, tak kak k tomu vremeni Kubrik pereselilsya v Angliyu i snimal tol`ko tam, chtob ne imet` delo s Gollivudom. Tak chto, fil`m sovershenno ne amerikanskiy i ne gollivudskiy.

I krome togo, te, kto smotryat zdes`"Odisseyu", tak zhe smotryat i evropeyskoe i vostochnoe kino tozhe. Tak chto, ob`jasnit` populyarnost` fil`ma tem, chto eto chto-to "nashenskoe" sovershenno nevozmozhno.

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Vo vsyakom sluchae on mne pokazalsya necorrektnym v tom slysle, chto navyazyvaet slishkom otkrytuyu simvoliku, ne ostavlyaet mesta voobrazheniyu
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Pri etom fil'm razbrosan (IMHO) ogromnym kolichestvom eklektichnoy simvoliki... To kristal, kotoriy mozhet simvolizirovat' cherti znaet kakoe kolichestvo veschey...
Vrode kak protivorechie poluchaetsya v tvoikh slovakh...S odnoy storony - simvolika ne ostavljaet mesta dlya voobrazheniya, a s drugoj storony - simvol monolta mozhno ponimat` kak ugodno ...
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