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Old 09.05.2005, 10:18   #76
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ok thanx i have voted without nose cleaner
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ok thanx i have voted without nose cleaner
if you are a US resident and of the age mentioned in your profile, tell me is it legal the behaviour of Calif based company, which conducted this poll just two weeks after The State of Calif. proclamed the Day of Rememberance?

send me your email adr in private, I will forward to you the announcement we have recently circulated around (in English)

i think its a right time for a campaign agaist them
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Old 09.05.2005, 10:35   #78
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if you are a US resident and of the age mentioned in your profile, tell me is it legal the behaviour of Calif based company, which conducted this poll just two weeks after The State of Calif. proclamed the Day of Rememberance?
i don't know ,man .where do u know that its calif. based? tell me please

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send me your email adr in private, I will forward to you the announcement we have recently circulated around (in English)

i think its a right time for a campaign agaist them
no,man
can't give address,post it here,i will forward it to our group
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Old 09.05.2005, 11:06   #79
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i don't know ,man .where do u know that its calif. based? tell me please

no,man
can't give address,post it here,i will forward it to our group
delo tvoye

esli tebe len' davat' email mne v private, to togda sam perechitaj zdes' i na hayastan-forume

tam i adresa i info

vot vsegda mi tak - stroim iz sebya...

P.S. peredaj privet "to our group"
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Old 09.05.2005, 20:22   #80
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May 9, 11 am PST

В РЕЗУЛЬТАТЕ ДАВЛЕНИЯ КОМПАНИЯ NETWORK54 АННУЛИРОВАЛА СТРАНИЦУ С ГОЛОСОВАНИЕМ

http://www.network54.com/Votelet/29462
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Old 09.05.2005, 20:53   #81
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Насчет стратегического резерва Китайцев ЭТО КРУТО !!

Будем иметь ввиду.. Блин аж у меня сердце подскочило от воодушевления.
Я так и представил что же будет в будущем когда китайцы своих роботов направят на турков...
Можно и индусов вспомнить. Они тоже муслимов не любят. Союз Армян-Индусов- Китайцев это СИЛА !! Весь интернет перевернем вверх дном..

Я тебе приватом отвечу.. У нас сегодня тут праздник Пьем , кушаем итд итп .. Так что извини
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Вот я даже лозунг придумал для союза Армении-Индии-Китая

Союз Древных и Мудрых
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Old 09.05.2005, 21:25   #83
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какого такого давления ?
может из-за бешеного трафика и нагрузки на сервер?
потому как порядка 200-300 запросов в сек - это не хухры мухры
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Default Братцы Армянцы :))) Развели Вас, Патриоты мои , как последних лохов:))))))

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Baseless Genocide Recognition Poll Site Forwarded Globally

By Jenny Kiljian

On Thursday, May 5, a Web site polling visitors about whether they
believe the Armenian genocide should be recognized surfaced on the
Internet and the link began making its rounds to the inboxes of
hundreds of thousands throughout the world.

Often accompanied by urgent, frantic missives such as "The Turkish
community is distributing this link to get 'no' votes, please go and
vote 'yes,'" the Web site received more than 228,000 hits within three
days.

By Monday, May 9, the site was unavailable because the host server
could not handle the overwhelming number of visitors. Asbed Kassis, a
California-based IT consultant, researched what he called "the bogus
poll" and discovered that the person or group of people who built the
site are based in Virginia, and were using the telephone service
provider Cogent Company to access the Internet. The site was built and
hosted using Network54, which allows users to create and participate
in free forums, chat rooms and what are known in Web parlance as votelets-easily generated survey and poll pages.

One visitor observed the poll about the Armenian genocide for 15
minutes and he, too, said it was ludicrous. Jirayr Beugekian, IT
manager for the Hairenik Association, said that while the 'yes' votes
changed with each individual click, the 'no' votes remained largely
static, jumping in periodic increments of 300 at a time. This signaled
to him that the person hosting the site was manipulating the 'no' vote
by hand, simply to make the poll appear credible.

The 'yes' clicks were not all unique, however, as thousands were
informed through further emails that a visitor could delete 'cookies'
from a computer and return to the site to vote 'yes' multiple times,
according to Beugekian. Cookies are short pieces of data used by web
servers to help identify web users. They don't damage files or
systems, and are only used to identify users and track browsing
habits.

While sites such as this might seem innocuous, both Kassis and
Beugekian advised people to be more careful about where they point
their browsers. This Web site, like many others, contained
Google-sponsored advertisements and search results at the top of the
page. Each time a person visited the site, the person hosting it
earned a commission from the hugely popular search engine.

"Several IT people have confirmed that the person was making money
from the poll," said Kassis. "Since huge numbers of Armenians and
others flocked to the site, he or she got this high rating for
traffic. The way this person made money was by getting a percentage of
the amount charged for the advertisers per click."

While this site contained visible advertisements, similar scam Web
sites, explained Kassis, will embed pop-up-generating codes into
nearly every link on the site. A visitor might simply close the
pop-up, not thinking of it as more than the occasional nuisance that
comes part and parcel with surfing the World Wide Web. What these
people don't realize, Kassis said, is that they're not only polluting
their computer, but their clicks are generating revenue for the host.

A person could build a Web site and place numerous advertisements on
the pages, each netting him or her anywhere from a penny to 30 cents,
or even more, per visitor or click, explained Beugekian.

By the time the poll site became unavailable on Monday, the person
hosting it could have made anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000 through
the clicks of visitors. Although it is unclear whether the user simply
deleted it or Network54 took the site down, Kassis said that people
should send complaints to the host companies when they see such
questionable sites. "The best way to get trash like this off the host
is to email Network54 with complaints. I've seen this to work 90
percent of the time," he said.

The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) sent a letter to the
site expressing the organization's concern over the host being used to
campaign against Genocide recognition.

"This abuse of your Web site-much like similar efforts by Holocaust
deniers-aims to create doubt about historical realities," wrote ANCA
executive director Aram Hamparian. "Sadly, we still have among us
those who, for their narrow interests, seek to sow hatred and
confusion about the Holocaust, the African slave trade, the internment
of Japanese Americans during World War II, the genocide in Rwanda, and
many other facts of history. It is up to all people of good conscience
to reject hate and to not provide a platform to its purveyors."

Many others, while displeased that Genocide denial has been furthered
through technology, were less sympathetic to the exponential number of
people who visited the site and forwarded the link to hundreds of
others in their respective address books.

"I can't believe Armenians would fall for this, and jump to it as if
all our future existence depends on it. We have become so very limited
with our Genocide past," said Katia Peltekian. "There is nothing on
the page about what the purpose of this poll is, who is collecting the
votes, for whom this voting is being done, who is going to use this
poll. The 'no' votes make no move while the 'yes' votes have jumped
tremendously from almost zero to above sixty-one percent since
[Friday, May 6], when Armenians in a panic began forwarding this
message left, right and center."

Nyree Derderian of California saved each email that was sent to
her. In all, she said, she received the link 142 times.

"There are new kinds of predators out there in this new world," said
Tatul Sonentz-Papazian. He received the link to the site, but said he
summarily deleted it. "People are gullible, and they shouldn't be so
gullible. They become tools in the hands of those scam artists-people
are falling for it, and it's ridiculous."
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ГЫ) Предыдущее было из Калифорния Курьер )

А это из Азбарез онлайн

Speaking of other embarrassments, if you sent out an email last week
asking friends and family to vote in a poll on a website to recognize the
Genocide, hang your head in shame. At last count, I have received about 30
emails from different people, all of them urging me to go on some website and
vote on the following question--"Should the Turkish Government Recognize the Armenian Genocide?"
I actually logged on to the site out of mere curiosity. The results were not
surprising. I saw that the breakdown was about 87% answering NO and only 4% were YES to this ridiculous question. I deleted the e-mail because the site
did not look like a legitimate site and because there are better ways of pursing
Genocide recognition than through someone's homemade website. I also figured that the whole site was a scam set up by someone who was getting paid per click--a website marketing scheme still used by some internet companies. I hoped that most folks would see right through this online scam. But before I knew it, my mailbox was receiving 10 emails a day urging me to help the Armenian Cause by going to this site and voting on it multiple times and urging the Turks to recognize the Genocide. EVERY DAY! TEN E-MAILS! I believe this is the first ever recorded instance of Armenian Spam on the internet. SPAM is a term used to describe any unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail. Before you know it, we'll all be receiving e-mails asking us if we want to refinance our home in Armenia, offering us cheap prescription drugs from Uzbekistan, of offering miracle drugs made of secret Caucasus mountain herbs which will help us either control our hair loss or lose weight or both if we want.
I'm so frustrated with people who actually participated in this stupid online
survey. I can't believe that there are folks out there who actually fell for
this? What? It was on the Republic of Armenia's official diaspora page you
say? (ГЫ!! ET meky chei tesel -A) Yes it was! Armenia's government even fell for this stupid scam. Thousandс upon thousands voted for this stupid poll and I bet only a third of those who voted have ever actually called a member of Congress to urge them to raise levels of aid to Armenia, acknowledge the autonomy of Artsakh or reaffirm the facts of the Armenian genocide. This is the result of the internet, materialistic, mass consumer age we live in. It's the kind of age where if we want at least 100,000 Armenians to show up to a Genocide event, then we better start thinking of ways to build a Genocide memorial in Las Vegas, Nevada, right by Caesar's Palace, because I bet you more Armenians will go to Las Vegas on April 24 than to any community event!
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Ну то что, он должен был что-то получать с визитов, это и ежу было понятно. Но что это было единственной целью..
Поимели нас короче..
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eto bilo yavno s samogo 1ogo vzglyada na etot poll page. udevitel'no 4to tak dolgo trebovalos' 4tob ponimat'.
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Moonlight, ты прав ) МИД тоже купился, а почему это мы должны быть умнее своего МИД-а , а ? Кхм , мы как .. хмм .. то это .. лол .. достойны .. это .. как сказать .. своего ..
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Question продолжение?

Please read the message below and make what you think you have to make.
It could be a good idea to forward to others.

Click on
www.zavarian.org<http://www.zavarian.org/> to protest.

*Subject:* Time, Turks and the remaking of history
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Dear friends,Yesterday I had the opportunity to watch the DVD that was prepared bythe Turkish Chamber of Commerce and mailed to almost half a millionsubscribers of Time magazine in Europe as part of a promotional tourismpackage. To make sure everyone got the message, it was multilingual.Apart from a couple of clips showing the wonders of Turkey(coincidentally all Christian themed), it also included 40+ minutes of'The True Story', the Turkish interpretation of the Genocide. It wasprofessionally prepared. It's sole aim was to dispute and deny theArmenian Genocide. To do that they had a couple of Turkish witnessesthat described the 'Armenian' atrocities and a gathering of professors,Italian and English, who gave expert opinions. Apparently, all theTurkish archives of that period have been open to scholars but theArmenian ones have been off limits for reasearch purposes. How did wemiss that!Weems, the retired(now deceased) Judge from Arkansas was a 'classic'. Hebasically tried to put out the argument that Armenians are basicallyNazis and true perpetrators of Genocide because apparently an Armenianregiment volunteered in the German Army.Another revelation was the 'fact' that the Armenians who were deportedwere given care, food and shelter during the deportations. To make surethey drove home the point, they claimed the Turkish soldiers in factshared or even gave their food rations to the deportees. (Yes, they saidthis and meant it!)Honestly, I was in a surreal world for those 40+ minutes. I realizedwhat the Turks are trying to accomplish. Their problem though is thatthey will not acchieve much. If Weems, Bernard Lewis and company arewhat they have, it is not enough. What they have done is ridiculous andwill and should backfire.I will make some copies if anyone want to view it. If anything, it willstrenghten your resolve, and lay to rest any touchy-feely thoughts youmight have been harboring for future reproachment with Turks, TARCstyle. There are a lot of barriers and obstacles Turks have to cross tomake themselves part of Europe or become friends with Armenians as a nation.The irony in all of this is that in the short term, say the next 100years, we do want them as part of Europe. Enough time to build a strongArmenian nation without distractions. Time will be on our side.Regards,
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