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Old 28.05.2002, 22:39   #46
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Американские LEDA Systems и Cadence Design Systems предоставят Ереванскому Инженерному Университету комплекс программного обеспечения на общую сумму в 25 млн долларов.
Напомню что они будут работать в сфере analogovix микросхем. в США таких специалистов 300, а у нас 50.
Цель програмы превратить Армению лидара в этой сфере.

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Американские LEDA Systems и Cadence Design Systems предоставят Ереванскому Инженерному Университету комплекс программного обеспечения на общую сумму в 25 млн долларов.
Напомню что они будут работать в сфере analogovix микросхем. в США таких специалистов 300, а у нас 50.
Цель програмы превратить Армению лидара в этой сфере.

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да, это настоящее достижение!!! я горда за свой Университет!!!

А еще спорят, есть ли будущее у Армении?
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Nadeyus', g-nu Melikyanu udastsya to, s chem ne spravilis' ego predshestvenniki.
Nu chtoj.... pojivem - uvidim.
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Gates, povidimomu, odin iz nas chego-to nedoponimaet.... Proyasnite dlya menya, pojalujsta, nekotorye detali:

1. Kakoj uroven' support - a obespechivaet vash support department v Erevane?
A chto ti ponimaesh pod "urovnem supporta"?
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2. I kakim obrazom, marketing department, sidyashij v Erevane analiziruet rynok v Evrope ili US?
Internet!
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3. Yavlyaetes' li vy sotrudnikom buxgalterii BS? Esli net, na kakom osnovanii vy delaete vyvody o finansirovanii vashej organizacii? Neujeli, xozyain, ili sotrudniki buxgalterii dokladyvayut vam lichno?
Ne nado bit' buxgalterom chtob znat' kto investiruet v companiyu, eto ne sekret. A tochto Boomerang uje 15 let jivyot bez vneshnix investicij - eto predmet gordosti . A esli est' chem gordit'sya, lyudi publichno govoryat ob etom.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gates:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Tumanyan:
[qb]Gates, povidimomu, odin iz nas chego-to nedoponimaet.... Proyasnite dlya menya, pojalujsta, nekotorye detali:

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A chto ti ponimaesh pod "urovnem supporta"?
Gates, pered tem, kak obrashat'sya "na ty", obychno, sprashivayut razresheniya sobesednika. My, s vami, kajis', na brudershaft ne pili.
Chto je kasaetsya urovnya supporta - vash vopros pokazyvaet vashu polnuyu nekompetentnost' po dannoj teme. Izvinite, esli obidel, no eto fakt.

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2. I kakim obrazom, marketing department, sidyashij v Erevane analiziruet rynok v Evrope ili US?
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Internet!
Gates, da budet vam izvestno, chto Internet ne yavlyaetsya dostatochnym istochnikom informacii dlya marketinga. Kak povashemu, zachem krupnye kompanii tratyat ogromnye sredstva na provedenie issledovanij v real'noj jizni, esli mojno prosto vospol'zovat'sya statistikoj iz interneta?
Tut odno iz dvux: ili vy (ili vash marketing department) sovershili velichajshee otkrytie, delayushee revolyuciyu v sfere marketinga, ili, opyat'-taki, vy nesovsem predstavlyaete sebe process marketingovogo issledovaniya.

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A esli est' chem gordit'sya, lyudi publichno govoryat ob etom.
Lyudi govoryat o chem-libo publichno daje togda, kogda nechem gordit'sya. Sovetuyu pochitat' trudy doktora Geringa.

Daby ne byt' ponyatym prevratno, poyasnyu: ya ne delayu utverjdenij o deyatel'nosti BS (Sudya po vsemu, kompaniya byla neploxaya....) ili ob IT v Armenii.
Vse, chto ya xochu skazat', eto - "Nel'zya delat' poverxnostnye vyvody osnovyvayas' na nedostovernoj informacii". V vashem sluchae, dumayu, delo imenno tak i obstoit. Byl by rad, esli vy ubedite menya v obratnom.
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Originally posted by Tumanyan:
Gates, pered tem, kak obrashat'sya "na ty", obychno, sprashivayut razresheniya sobesednika.
My, s vami, kajis', na brudershaft ne pili.
Proshu proshenie za svoyo nevejestvo. No v etom forume vse "svoi lyudi" i ya ne dumal chto kto-to mojet obidet'sya na to chto ego prinemayut "svoim".

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Chto je kasaetsya urovnya supporta - vash vopros pokazyvaet vashu polnuyu nekompetentnost' po dannoj teme. Izvinite, esli obidel, no eto fakt.
Eto ne VAM opredelyat' moyu kompetenciyu.
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Gates, da budet vam izvestno, chto Internet ne yavlyaetsya dostatochnym istochnikom informacii dlya marketinga. Kak povashemu, zachem krupnye kompanii tratyat ogromnye sredstva na provedenie issledovanij v real'noj jizni, esli mojno prosto vospol'zovat'sya statistikoj iz interneta?
Tut odno iz dvux: ili vy (ili vash marketing department) sovershili velichajshee otkrytie, delayushee revolyuciyu v sfere marketinga, ili, opyat'-taki, vy nesovsem predstavlyaete sebe process marketingovogo issledovaniya.
Vo pervix: Ya ne govoril chto VSE Marketingovie isledovniya proizvodyatsya iz Yerevana (smotriTE vishe) V USA est' Marketingovij otdel, kotorij isleduet real'nij rinok.
Vovtorix: Esli bol'shinstvo productov svyazano s Internetom (Programmi dlya sozdaniya web saitov) to bol'shoyu chast' Marketingovix isledovanij mojno provodit' v Internete. Zdes' uje mne kajetsya chto "vy ne sovsem predstavlyaete sebe process marketingovogo issledovaniya".

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Daby ne byt' ponyatym prevratno, poyasnyu: ya ne delayu utverjdenij o deyatel'nosti BS (Sudya po vsemu, kompaniya byla neploxaya....) ili ob IT v Armenii.
Cto Znachit "byla"? BS est' i naxoditsya v dovol'notaki xoroshem sostayanii.
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Vse, chto ya xochu skazat', eto - "Nel'zya delat' poverxnostnye vyvody osnovyvayas' na nedostovernoj informacii". V vashem sluchae, dumayu, delo imenno tak i obstoit.
Ya dumayu eto v VASHEM sluchae "nedostovernaya informaciya" pri tom nepolnaya (Detroit, MI, USA )ob IT biznese v Armenii.
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Byl by rad, esli vy ubedite menya v obratnom.
Ya VAM takoj radosti ne predostavlyu, menya uje dostal besmislenij spor s chelovekom, kotorij sebya vozomnil "specialistom marketinga" i esho umnim chelovekom!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gates:
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Proshu proshenie za svoyo nevejestvo. No v etom forume vse "svoi lyudi" i ya ne dumal chto kto-to mojet obidet'sya na to chto ego prinemayut "svoim".
Velikodushno proshayu

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Eto ne VAM opredelyat' moyu kompetenciyu.
Gates, ne putajte kompetentnost' i kompetenciyu. Eto raznye ponyatiya. A to eshe patent s potenciej sputaete

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Vo pervix: Ya ne govoril chto VSE Marketingovie isledovniya proizvodyatsya iz Yerevana (smotriTE vishe) V USA est' Marketingovij otdel, kotorij isleduet real'nij rinok.
Ahaaaa, na popyatnyj uje idem?
Iznachal'no, vy ne upominali marketingovyj otdel v USA....
A chto, kstati, issleduet Yerevanskij otdel?

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Vovtorix: Esli bol'shinstvo productov svyazano s Internetom (Programmi dlya sozdaniya web saitov) to bol'shoyu chast' Marketingovix isledovanij mojno provodit' v Internete. Zdes' uje mne kajetsya chto "vy ne sovsem predstavlyaete sebe process marketingovogo issledovaniya".
Vidite li, vse delo v tom, chto daje v sluchae, kogda produkty svyazanny s internetom, issledovanie v real'noj jizni neobxodimo.
Vot vam nebol'shoj, poyasnyayushij primer:
Predstav'te, chto firma sozdaet programmu-messanger, prednaznachennuyu dlya ispol'zovaniya v bol'shix korporaciyax.
Kakim obrazom vy predlagaete provesti v dannom sluchae marketingovoe issledovanie, predshestvuyushee sozdaniyu produkta, ispol'zuya internet?

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Ya dumayu eto v VASHEM sluchae "nedostovernaya informaciya" pri tom nepolnaya (Detroit, MI, USA )ob IT biznese v Armenii.
Gates, vsego-lish' god nazad ya rabotal v Armenii. Ne dumayu, chto za istekshij god mnogoe tam izmenilos' v sfere IT. Vidite li, v bol'shinstve svoem v onoj sfere rabotayut te je lyudi, s temi je myslyami, s temi je ubejdeniyami, i.t.d. Kak vy dumaete, moglo li chto-libo ser'ezno izmenit'sya pri nalichii opisannoj situacii?

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Ya VAM takoj radosti ne predostavlyu, menya uje dostal besmislenij spor s chelovekom.....
Esli mne ne izmenyaet pamyat', sporil ya ne svami, a s groul - om. I vas, lichno ya, v spor ne vovlekal.

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.......kotorij sebya vozomnil "specialistom marketinga" i esho umnim chelovekom!
Ne privedete li vy kakuyu-libo citatu, iz skazannogo mnoyu, v kotoroj ya by delal utverjdeniya o svoej prinadlejnosti k marketologam ili umnym lyudyam. Opyat'-taki, ne schitayu sebya glupym, no utverjdenij, podobnyx pripisannym mne vami, ne delal.

I v zaklyuchenie: "Gates, rasslab'tes', ne raspalyajtes'.... Jizn' prekrasna, a vy sozdaete sebe problemy..."
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Originally posted by Tumanyan:
Gates, ne putajte kompetentnost' i kompetenciyu. Eto raznye ponyatiya. A to eshe patent s potenciej sputaete
Vor Haystan gaq, es kcuic tam DZEZ tarbrutyun@ potenti ev potenciayu migev.
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Vo pervix: Ya ne govoril chto VSE Marketingovie isledovniya proizvodyatsya iz Yerevana (smotriTE vishe) V USA est' Marketingovij otdel, kotorij isleduet real'nij rinok.
Ahaaaa, na popyatnyj uje idem?
Iznachal'no, vy ne upominali marketingovyj otdel v USA....
A chto, kstati, issleduet Yerevanskij otdel?
Privuju citati s ranix postingov
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2. Kompaniya proizvodyashaya SST - AMERIKANSKAYA, s filialom v Armenii. V Armenii naxodyatsya tol'ko programmisty, kotorye vypolnyayut ukazaniya rukovodstva naxodyashegosya v Boston, MA...
Xozyain firmy - amerikanec armyanskogo proisxozhdeniya, na amerikanskom softwernom rynke uzhe let 15.
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To Groul, menq miqich achel enq, hima Erevani BS-um ka Supporti bajin, Technical writingi ev Marketingi mec mas@ arvuma Hayastanic.
Kak vidite zdes' yasno skazano chto ne ves' marketing iz Armenii
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Vidite li, vse delo v tom, chto daje v sluchae, kogda produkty svyazanny s internetom, issledovanie v real'noj jizni neobxodimo.
Vot vam nebol'shoj, poyasnyayushij primer:
Predstav'te, chto firma sozdaet programmu-messanger, prednaznachennuyu dlya ispol'zovaniya v bol'shix korporaciyax.
Kakim obrazom vy predlagaete provesti v dannom sluchae marketingovoe issledovanie, predshestvuyushee sozdaniyu produkta, ispol'zuya internet?
Ya kak raz isklyuchil etot sluchij tak-kak 90% nashix program svyazani Web Developmentom, a ne s messangerami.
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Gates, vsego-lish' god nazad ya rabotal v Armenii. Ne dumayu, chto za istekshij god mnogoe tam izmenilos' v sfere IT. Vidite li, v bol'shinstve svoem v onoj sfere rabotayut te je lyudi, s temi je myslyami, s temi je ubejdeniyami, i.t.d. Kak vy dumaete, moglo li chto-libo ser'ezno izmenit'sya pri nalichii opisannoj situacii?
Za god mnogo chego mojet izmenit'sya osobenno v IT texnologiyax, tem bolee kto znaet gde VI rabotali i s kakimmi IT specialistami obshyalis.
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Esli mne ne izmenyaet pamyat', sporil ya ne svami, a s groul - om. I vas, lichno ya, v spor ne vovlekal.
Vi sporili v forume gde vse imeyut pravo uchastvovat'v obsujdeniyax, tem bolee chto topic bil predlojen mnoj.
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I v zaklyuchenie: "Gates, rasslab'tes', ne raspalyajtes'.... Jizn' prekrasna, a vy sozdaete sebe problemy..."
U menya voobshe net problem, eto u TEBYA problemu s golovoj.
Bol'shego vsego v lyudyax menya besit ix tupost', i sejchas ya vzbeshon iz-za obsheniya s takim chelovekom.
Baxtt berec.

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Vor Haystan gaq, es kcuic tam DZEZ tarbrutyun@ potenti ev potenciayu migev.
A kakim obrazom vy sobiraetes' mne pokazat' etu raznicu? I chto vam meshaet sdelat' eto zdes' i sejchas?

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Privuju citati s ranix postingov
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Gates, potrudites', pojalujsya, perechitat' predydushie postingi.... Dumayu, vy obnarujite, chto ya sprashival ne o citatax, svyazannyx s deyatel'nostyu vashej firmy, a o moix, yakoby, zayavleniyax o svoem ume i sposobnostyax v oblasti marketinga. Kak vidite, citaty ne prozvuchalo. Bud'te, pojalujsta, posledovatel'ny....
I eshe, mojet vy, vsetaki, pripodnimite zavesu tajny nad issledovaniyami armyanskogo otdela marketinga?

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Ya kak raz isklyuchil etot sluchij tak-kak 90% nashix program svyazani Web Developmentom, a ne s messangerami.
Nu xorosho, obyasnite mne, pojalujsta, rol' interneta v issledovanii rynka programm, svyazannyx s Web Developmentom.

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Za god mnogo chego mojet izmenit'sya osobenno v IT texnologiyax, tem bolee kto znaet gde VI rabotali i s kakimmi IT specialistami obshyalis.
V chastnosti, so specialistami, rabotavshimi v vashej firme.

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Vi sporili v forume gde vse imeyut pravo uchastvovat'v obsujdeniyax, tem bolee chto topic bil predlojen mnoj.
Ok, ponyal: Vy, po svoej vole vvyazalis' v spor, a teper', obvinyaete v etom menya? Tak?
Neposledovatel'no.... Programmisty tak ne postupayut

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U menya voobshe net problem, eto u TEBYA problemu s golovoj.
Bol'shego vsego v lyudyax menya besit ix tupost', i sejchas ya vzbeshon iz-za obsheniya s takim chelovekom.
Baxtt berec.
Vy chto, vzbesheny ot samogo sebya? Interesnyj sluchaj..... Mojet vam k vrachu?
Naschet vezeniya: Ya, voobshe-to po jizni vezunchik, mojno, daje, skazat': "schastlivchik".
Tol'ko ne mogu, chto-to ponyat', s chem eto mne povezlo na etot raz? Mojet obyasnite?
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2Gates, relax... Tebe eto nado?

Vsyo ravno ne pereubedish': "vor macuny spitaka".

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Vi ne skazali bi mne gde mojno nayti raboti doktora Geuringa??? Ya ochen xochu ix pochitat. Prosto interesno kak mojno stat sverxchelovekom.
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calm down guys please.
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Vi ne skazali bi mne gde mojno nayti raboti doktora Geuringa??? Ya ochen xochu ix pochitat. Prosto interesno kak mojno stat sverxchelovekom.
Oj, sorry, ne Geuringa, a Geringa. Opechatochka vyshla.
Teper'-to, dumayu, Mono, najdete i bez moej pomoshi.
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Groul получает титул "Большие слова, маленький человек, плохой вебдизайнер"
Gates получает титул "Ахпер аранц базар скселу еркар чем кара интелектуал хосакцутйан медж нерграввем"
Tumanyan получает титул "Хорошие мозги, острый язык, но сноб"
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2 Злоебучий Махнокрыл:

... no snob ...
Jizn', baten'ka, vremenami, zastavlyaet.
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