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Old 01.04.2002, 22:54   #16
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To chto nastroyka OS i softa pod nee v nekommercheskikh systemakh slozhnee eto ochevidno. Odnako i vozmozhnostey u nikh (na servernykh zadachakh) namnogo bol'she, chem u kommercheskikh.

Odnako k primeram
kompilyatsiya yadra iz iskhodnikov:
podderzhivaetsya:
Vse Linux, OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD (Vse Open-source), Solaris(iskhodniki dostupny v ochen' zhestkoy licenzii za 100$)
Ne podderzhivaetsya
BSDi, AIX, IRIX, HPUX (vse kommercheskie)

Interface sysctl(zamena vnutennikh parametrov yadra bez perazagruzki yadra):
VSE podderzhivayut, v tom ili inom razmere. Luchshe vsego v Linux, BSD (IMHO )

Vse UNIX-like systemy imeyut svoi nishi.
Solaris - samiy khoroshiy scalability.
AIX, OpenBSD - men'she vsego oshibok
Linux - vtoroy po scalability posle Solaris
FreeBSD - stabil'nost' (samiy dolgiy uptime)
IRIX - samaya mal'en'kaya tsena vychisleniy

Kak desktop eti systemy ne samoe udachnoe reshenie. Odnako esli zadacha spetsifichna, to mozhno user-a i obuchit'.

Odnako na segodnyashniy den' namechaetsya tendenciya perenosa bol'shinstva servernogo softa pod Linux. Iz obychnogo - navernoe tol'ko MAYA, StarOffice(s ego opensource bratsom OpenOFFICE) i programmy mat. modelirovaniya (Mathematica, MathCad etc). I vse vysheperechislennoe za babki. No opyat' eto ne polnotsenniy desktop. Odnako mne pod Linux priyatno.

Nu da ladno. Zalez v glubokiy off-topic.

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Old 01.04.2002, 23:46   #17
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To Tumanyan

Na kriki dushi mi ne imeyem pravo. Yesli bi kajdi krichal kak dushe ugodno to zdes nachalsa bi bazar.

Naschyot peregibanya palki. Luchshe posmotri razdel Warez v etom je forume i togda otkrovenno skaji kto i naskolko peregibayet palku.

Neschyot Ekonomicheskovo krizisa
Prochitay zdes

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2 Mono:
Kajdyj imeet pravo na to, chto schitaet neobxodimym v dannoj situacii.
V Warez zaxodit' ne sobirayus'. Proisxodyashee tam ne yavlyaetsya moej problemoj... Ya, vsego-lish', zametil, chto vash ton grub i neprimenim (s moej tochki zreniya) dlya obsheniya na forume.
Na temu krizisa - moejm porassujdat' v otdel'nom topike. Tema interesnaya, chestno govorya, ya sam ne prishel poka k opredelennomu vyvodu. No, ne soglasen s tem, chto proisxodyashee tut - odnoznachno krizis.

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kompilyatsiya yadra iz iskhodnikov:
A pri chem tut eto?
Vse OS podderjivayut kompilyaciyu iz isxodnikov. Prosto k isxodnikam nekotoryx - net dostupa.

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Interface sysctl...
V tom, ili inom vide etot interface prisutstvuet vo vsex OS (v tom chisle i v, tak nelyubimoj mnogimi, WinNT/2000/XP).

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Vse UNIX-like systemy imeyut svoi nishi.
UNIX-unlike ( ) systemy toje imeyut svoi nishi

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Kak desktop eti systemy ne samoe udachnoe reshenie
Imenno etu mysl' ya i putalsya donesti do chitatelej.
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Originally posted by Tumanyan:
A pri chem tut eto?
Vse OS podderjivayut kompilyaciyu iz isxodnikov. Prosto k isxodnikam nekotoryx - net dostupa.
Ne bukvoedstvuyte , Sir

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V tom, ili inom vide etot interface prisutstvuet vo vsex OS (v tom chisle i v, tak nelyubimoj mnogimi, WinNT/2000/XP).
URL s opisaniem v studiyu!

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Imenno etu mysl' ya i putalsya donesti do chitatelej.
Nu i slavno.
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Vopros v studiyu: "Updavlenie kakimi svojstvami yadra interesuet?"

Esli peredacha dannyx i upravlyayushix signalv na uroven' yadra - DeviceIoControl (Win32 platform)
Ispol'uya etot API, mojno peredat' na uroven' yadra vse, chto ugodno.
Krome etogo, kak i v UNIX-like systemax mojno obrashat'sya k modulyam yadra kak k file - am.
CreateFile, ReadFile, WriteFile, e.t.c.
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Default TTL dlya protocola IP, max. Kol-vo odnovremenno otkrytykh file-ov, max kol-vo odnovremenno zapushennykh threadov, max razmer shared memory. I t.d.....

I tut est' eshe odna kardinal'naya raznica mezhdu API call-om i gotovym programmnym interface-om. Poluchaetsya, chto dlya upravleniya kommercheskoy OS ya dolzhen snachala programmu napisat' (a chtob napisat' dolzhen eshe kupit' kakoy libo compiler), a potom ee zapustit'.
Nelogichno kak-to.....
Ne pakhnet User-Friendly interface-om odnako.

P.S. Hov, ty vsegda voprosom na vopros otvechaesh?
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2 Pascal:
Vse eto, ili pochti vse mojno sdelat' s ispol'zovaniem API, opisannyx v predydushem topike. Krome togo, NT/2000/XP podderjivayut SNMP. Naskol'ko ya pomnyu (a etimi voprosami ya zanimalsya dostatochno davno) MIB derev'ya, predostavlyaemye Win32 pozvoluayut menyat' ukazannye toboj nastrojki.

A voprsom na vopros otvechayu isklyuchitel'no kogda naxojus' v evrejskom nastroenii
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A URL v studiyu kak ya ponyal tebe v padlu zapostit'..... .

No delo dazhe ne v etom.
My govorim o raznykh veshakh. Ya govoryu, chto Win* Semeystvo ne imeet gotovykh mexanizmov izmeneniya parametrov yadra. A ty mne govorish chto oni est', no nuzhno pisat' dopolnitel'nie programmy, dopolnitel'no pereplachivaya den'gi. Ispol'zovanie snmp privodit k tomu zhe. Nuzhno pokupat' soft, kotoriy budet sdirat' i stavit' informaciyu iz/v MIB. BTW ya s Microsoftovskim MIB tozhe rabotal - net tam takogo. Vot i vse.

P.S. PLS kogda boltaem na ser'eznie temy zabud' evreyskoe nastroenie gde-to poblizosti. A to razgovarivat' meshaet.
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Vot nashel.
Eto pro to kak VXD peredavat' commands.
No po-moemu yadro ne sidit v VXD.
I neyasno mne vse eto.
Bolee togo mne kazhetsya, chto ty ne slishkom vladeesh temoy.
No po-moemu my svalilis' v dalekiy offtopic.

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to Tumanyan

Kajdyj imeet pravo na to, chto schitaet neobxodimym v dannoj situacii.

Kajdi mojet delat i imet pravo delat chto ugodno i gde ugodno, no u vsex postupkov yest posledstvya.
Dabi oznokomitsa s vashimi pravami i obyazannastyami prochitaete zdes.

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V Warez zaxodit' ne sobirayus'. Proisxodyashee tam ne yavlyaetsya moej problemoj...

Pravda. Eto NE vasha problema, eto problema Vlastey i drugix zainteresovannix struktur.
No vse je otvet na vopros "Pokupat ili ne pokupat Soft??" kak raz lejit tam. I zarivaya golovu v zemlyu problemu ne re****!!!!!

Kstati predlagayu vsem uchastnikam etovo foruma re**** nujen ili net razdel Warez. I kakovi moralno-vospitatelnie posledstvya etovo razdela. Ved ne nado zabyvat chto syuda zaxodyat v osnovnom molodie kotorie uvidya razdel Warez pryamo taki dumayut chto eto vse v poryadke veshchey krast chujie Softi. I posle nekotorix udachnix crackov u nix voobshe otpadaet jelanie pokupat legalni soft.
Tak kto iz nas naydyot v sebe mujestvo skazat NET vorovstvu ZDES I SEYCHAS!!!!!!!!!
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2 Pascal:
Nu chto podelaesh', zastavil ty menya otbrosit' vse dela i zanyat'sya poiskom..
Vot URL #1. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ibref_8837.asp

Eto naschet ip- settings cherez MIB.
Kstati, dorogoj Rubik, ne vosprinimaj, pijalujsta kak personal'nyj naezd, no u menya skladyvaetsya vpechatlenie, chto ty dostatocno poverxnostno oznakomilsya s SNMP/MIB. Delo v tom, chto malo-mal'ski znakomyj s etim protokolom chelovek ne stal by utverjdat' o nalichii/otsutstvii vozmojnosti monitoringa kakix-libo parametrov cherez SNMP. Etot protokol iznachal'no zadumyvalsya kak narashivaemyj. Ego vozmojnosti ogranichenny lish' nalichiem sootvetstvuyushix fajlov/bax MIB na konkretnoj mashine.....

Dlya monitoringa/kontrolya cherez snmp trebuetsya tol'ko-lish' SNMP-client.... T.e. to je sammoe, chto i sysctl. SNMP-klient mojno rassmatrivat' kak takuyu-je utilitku kak i sysctl.

V zaklyuchenie, vot vkratce osnovnye sredstva kontrolya nad WindowsNT/2000/XP:

Registry
DeviceIoControl
SNMP
File I/O
Performance Counters
COM/DCOM (mnojestvo interface-ov kontroliruyushix vse, chto ugodno)
RPC (to je, chto i COM. Naprimer, dostup k pasowrd authority)

Odnim slovom: esli interesuet - skachaj i postav' MSDN.

Naschet je yumora: shutit', pervym nachal ty.

A vot i ser'eznyj otvet na tvoj vopros: Peresprashivayu v sluchayax, kogda vopros sformulirovan netochno, rasplyvchato.
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Kstati, spor uje pereshel v oblast' svyashennyx vojn Unix vs Win32.....
Ne dumayu, chto pridem k kakomu-libo razumnomu vyvodu v etoj oblasti.
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Kstati, spor uje pereshel v oblast' svyashennyx vojn Unix vs Win32.....
Ne dumayu, chto pridem k kakomu-libo razumnomu vyvodu v etoj oblasti.
Vot s etim soglasen polnostyu.
I davay zakanchivat' s off-topicom.
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A nashet snmp poboltaem v novoy teme.
UNIX->SNMP&WIN32
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Vot natknulsya na ssylu po teme:
http://cooler.it/lt/livet_canada1.html
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Old 04.04.2002, 14:32   #30
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Tak ya i znal!!! Povidimomu, my chitaem te je samye internet-izdaniya.
No, tem ne menee, ya sklonen pripisyvat' proisxodyashee v toj firme k isklyucheniyam a ne pravilam.
Opyat'-taki, da, mnogie programmery, vne zavisimosti ot mesta raboty, primenyayut tixarya nelizensionnye instrumenty, no, rano ili pozdno, licenziya pokupaetsya. Pochemu? A xotyaby potomu, chto daje probit' pokupku cherez management - uje zadacha ne iz trivial'nyx.
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