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Old 26.04.2002, 19:17   #16
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jt,
okey, dogovorilis'.. v sleduyuschiy raz poydem s toboy..

Greco El,
a ya i ne govorila, chto ne nado prepodavat' istoriyu... ya daje ne vozrajayu, chtobi proxodili istoriyu etogo perioda !.. no, izvinite, ya schitayu, chto eshio ne sformirovavshimsya detyam sovsem ne obyazatel'no znat' vse podrobnosti etix ubiystv ! ya lish xotela skazat' eto......
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Old 26.04.2002, 19:24   #17
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jt,
okey, dogovorilis'.. v sleduyuschiy raz poydem s toboy..

Greco El,
a ya i ne govorila, chto ne nado prepodavat' istoriyu... ya daje ne vozrajayu, chtobi proxodili istoriyu etogo perioda !.. no, izvinite, ya schitayu, chto eshio ne sformirovavshimsya detyam sovsem ne obyazatel'no znat' vse podrobnosti etix ubiystv ! ya lish xotela skazat' eto......
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TO it

Che chisht es asum anpayman chi, vor petutyun@ partadir ujex petqa @lni, vor nerexutyun asen.
Bayc himikva irakanutyunum erevi da e mez pakasum, vor ayd harc@ chi lutsvum. Inch mnuma hoxer@ het talun im kartsiqov iranq aveli shut konpensacia ktan qan te mer tarackner@` heto inch, vor @nde kover en aracum.
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Old 27.04.2002, 04:59   #20
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to Edmon Maroukian
inch vor tegh chisht es asum...bajc inch vor tegh es zarmanum em qristonea azgeri vra...bolor@ havatum en bibliajin...isk asvum a che vor Ararat sar ev ajln
de hima apsurd....qristonianeri surb sar@ gtnvum a Musulmanakan petutjan mej...inchqan el asenq Ararat@ mern a....ed ban chi pokhi...kam vor asen Araratjan dashtavajr ne to...tak chto
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Lyudi vy chego-to zagnuli, es verji post@ inkati unem....
Esli mne ne izmenyaet pamyat' liq@ problemner kain na temu "Grob gospoden' v rukax u nevernyx". U pri chem ahagin darer, paterazmner, kyanqer gnacin, a vrezul'tate.... seychas lyudi prosto edut tuda, bez problem...
Naschet v shkolax - shaaat dzhvar harca, vo vsyakom sluchae im hamar. Yes shat em mtatsel dra masin, i vse ravno ne mogu nayti zolotuyu seredinu...

Indz hesa ktsetseq, bayc ankeghts asats yes chem hamarum vor chishta et hogher@ het uzel...Tegh shat harcer ka...

To jt>> na temu "Child in time" - APRES!!!
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Old 27.04.2002, 13:20   #22
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Lyudi ya vchera (26/04) poshel pochtit' pamyat' zhertv genocida (vmeste s klassom). No my sebya veli prilichno. Nesmotrya na to, chto 2 dnya proshlo, tam bylo mnogo lyudey, mnogiye ulibalis... Kogda my doshli do memoriala i polojili cveti, okolo dvux minut molcha stoyali i vdrug odin paren 25-30 let, gromko govorya, voshel tuda. Ya tak 2-3 sekundi posmotrel emu v glaza, dumal chto poymyot kuda prishol, no uvy... No okolo mogil boycov za karabax (tam ryadom) ya uvidel uchitelnicu, kotoraya krasivo i podrobno rasskazivala svoim uchenikam pro tex, kto lezhit pod etimi kamnyami.
P.S. Yest' xoroshee i est' ploxoe, no vsegda xoroshego bol'she, ibo zemlya na etom derzhitsya!
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to marsou
inchi a skhal hogher@ het uzel....?
es gtnum em vor ete hi mima arden inch vor chapov chanaparner@ bac a...ed chi nshanakum vor sxal a hogher@ het uzel ...ed mek..inch verabervum a
dprocin..im karciqov ed amen inch@ chi kareli hascnel atelutyan....vorovhetev en Turkian vor ka...mot 60% @ndunum a ceghaspanutjun@....
shat kazmakerputjunner kan voronq pashtpanum en
Hajastani shaer@ Turkiajun...ha kstaci es el em tesel Egherni nkarner@ te tangaranum,te tan@ albom unenq....aj ed arden es dprocakannerin cujc chei ta....petq chi..patmutjun@ patmutjun,isk ed arden shat cavali paster en
to Will Shakespeare
kstaci shat lav mitq er ...gnal voch te 24-in ajl urish or,......
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Mdaa Narod

Chitayu i izumlyayus o chyom vi tolkuyte.

Da Narod gde eto vidano bilo chtobi kto to komu to dal Zemli zaprosto tak. Na osnovanii kakix to pretenzii.

Chyort poberi ne bilo takovo v Istorii. Tolko s pomoshyu Voyni mojno vzyat Zemli.

Tak chto narod Vopros voobshe postavlen nepravilno.

A chto kasaetsa tovo Trebovat ili Net.

To ya schitayu nado Trebovat. Trebovat nado i Izvinenya, i materialni vozmeshenie ubitkov i pod konec Zemli.
Eshcho nikto ne postradal ot trebovanii. I eshcho nikto ot etovo ne oslabeval. A daje naoborot stanovilsa silneye. Kogda u tebya yest cel i ti yevo dobivaeshsa to ti razvivaeshsa.

A chto kasaetsa tovo smojem li mi kogda nibud vernut eti zemli daje siloy to ya schitayu chto eto Vozmojno. No ne seychas. Yesli komu to interesno kak eto vozmojno to otkroyte novi topik pojaluysta.

A yesli Segodnya mi reshim ostanovit nashi trebovanya to eto budet nash Moralni Konec. Polni Krax. Na nas voobshe uje nikto ne budet obrashat nikakovo maleyshovo vnimanie.

PS. Naschyot detey skaju odno. Detey nado uchit. No uchit nado taktichno. V malenkom vozraste nelza detey rasskazivat vse podrobnosti. Chem bolshe vozrastut tem podrobnee nado vse eto proxodit. I nado k etomu voprosu vozrashatsa po neskolko raz v processe obuchenyae. Narod ya sam tak uchilsa. Narod kogda ya bil molodim ya bil tak skazat zakonchennim Kosmopolitom i nichevo obshevo ne xotel imet s Armyanskoy Istoryey. Daje specyalno ya yevo NE chital potomu chto eto bilo nevinosimo dlya menya.
No teper kogda ya viros ya otnoshus k etomu sovsem po drugomu. Ya gorjus tem chto mi vijili etot Genocide. K tomu je pobedili v Karabaxe. A v etom veke u nas uje budet shans pokazat Turkam gde voobshe raki zimuyut.

PSS. jt a naschyot Ararata ili kak yevo govoritsa Bibleyskaya Gora to Xristyanskim yevropeyskim stranam voobshe Nachixat na etu goru. Da narod o chyom mi tolkuem Xristyanstvo skoro vimret voobshe kak religya. Smotrite Israelityane bombyat Xristyanskie cerkvi i vsem nachixat na eto. V Amerike vovsyu bushuet skandal Monax Pedofilov, A Rimski Papa voobshe bredet i govorit chto yesli kto to odin raz iznasolival detey to mi yevo ne budem nakazivat. Tolko Serialnix Manyakov budem nakazivat.

Ararat eto nasha Svyataya Gora i nikomu do nevo etu interesa krome nas i tolko nas.
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Inchi a im mot nenc tpavorutjun vor stegh Ceghaspanutyan harc@ qnnarkvuma hoghi kam razmaturqi kargov? Hayer, mi hat patmutyun@ noric kardaceq...
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Vy predstavit' ne mozhete ka mne nadoeli eti spory.

Vse yuncy (bez obid, please), u kogo problemy s samoutverzhdeniem, nachinayut samoutverzhdat'sya s pinaniya nogami svoej strany, istorii, kulturnyx cennostej i sootechestennikov.

Teper' vot o priznanii genocida zagovorili: "nado - ne nado"...

"Vam, chto sovsem nechego delat'?" (C) Krokodil Gena...

P.S. Dostante knizhku "Zov Paxarej" ("Ranchparneri kanchy"), pochitayte. Napisano mushcem Dashtencom na urovne Markesa ili Rushdi, a potom uzhe re****e sami dlya sebya — nado priznavat' ili net... Russkij variant est' v nashej biblioteke.
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Es tari @nkeruhis indz zorov cash tvec Cicernakaberd. Zorov, vortev voch tram kar, voch el haves... U hotya u menya toje v rodu umerlo neskoka chelovek ot Genocida, no ya ih ne znala.
I hot' mne kak-to ne hotelos' tuda, no ya poshla.
Bilo 10 chasov vechera.
Ludi shli smeyas', s sharikami v rukah.
Prichem shariki bili chernogo cveta.
Nu i?
Heto el "mer azg@, mer azg@"... To mer azgi mot 90 tokos@ dzevakanutyun a.
"Inch anenc esor? Mek a azat enc."
"Helnenc Cicernakaberd axchik kpcnelu"
Razve ne idiotizm?
Vsem izvestno moe otnoshenie k nashey gordoy nacii... No vse je ya, daje pri vsem etom, shla molcha, inogda rasskazivala podruge to,chto chitala pro Ehern...
I v konce mne hotelos' plakat',kogda ya videla kak okolo pamyatnika vechnogo ognya deti igrayut v pryatk ili v salochki.
U ed a mer azg@, vot takie rastut deti.
Let cherez 20 voobshe neponyatno zachem ludi biudut tuda hodit'...
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Nu Marishka nu ti dayosh

Snachala "Strana Fuknutaya"
Zatem "Rodina-Urodina"
A teper "90 % dzevakan e"

Ti voobshe sebya kem vozomnila chtobi nazivat 90 % naroda Dzevakanami. Ili potomu chto ti sama im yavlyayeshsa tebe kajetsa chto i 90% toje takie kak ti.

Tak kak je obyasnit to chto ti ne xotela poyti v Cicernakaberd no poskolku podruga ubedila ti poshla. Znaesh kak eto nazivaetsa. DZEVAKANUTYUN. I nichevo drugovo. Ti sama govorish chto ne znala svoyix rodstvennikov, togda zachem ti postavila eti Cvetki tam?? Chto ot tvoyix cvetkov teplo stalo tvoyim rodstvennikam. I voobshe komu nujni bili tvoyi cvetki??? Zachem nujni bili voobshe tvoyi cvetki yesli ti schitaesh chto cherez 20 let vse budet Kaput. Ya eto prosto nazivayu dzevakanutyun.
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Originally posted by Marishka:
I v konce mne hotelos' plakat',kogda ya videla kak okolo pamyatnika vechnogo ognya deti igrayut v pryatk ili v salochki.
U ed a mer azg@, vot takie rastut deti.
Let cherez 20 voobshe neponyatno zachem ludi biudut tuda hodit'...
Plakat' togda nado kogda deti ne igrajut a smotrjat televizor... Na to oni i deti chtoby igrat'...!! Esli kto-to uzhe zabyl mogu napomnit', DETSTVO eto takoj periud v zhizni cheloveka, kogda ty xrabryi (i boishishja tol'ko temnoty i grozy, i ispugavshis' bezhish k roditeljam v komnaty sredi nochi), kogda mnogo vesel'ja i shuma, zadannyx kaverznyx voprosov, na kotorye ne vsegda poluchaesh ponjatnyi otvet ("legenda" pro kapustu ), i mozhno prodolzhat' do beskonechnosti...

vot mne dejstvitel'no xochetsja plakat' kogda ja vizhu chto 6-i letnii malysh vmesto togo chtoby gonjat' mjach vo dvore, sidit pered telikom, a potom zdorovajas' govorit "Odnako zdrastvujte!" ili nachinaet tebe rasskazyvat' chto skanner uzhe pora na svalku tak kak on uzhe 10-i mesjachnoi "drevnosti"!!

eto ne znachit chto detei ne nado obuchat' istorii ix naroda!! NAOBOROT! no ne nado ix nasilovat'!! mne na samom dele stanovit'sja strashno osoznovat' chto moi 6-i letnij brat znaet o politicheskoj obstanovke v mire namnogo luchshe menja (uchus' na politologa ).. celyj den' prikovan k TV... i eto ne tol'ko on a bol'shinstvo ego sverstnikov! ix interisujut TV, comp-y, den'gi.. a DETSTVO?

El chxoranam po off topicu..

a na temu, davno xotela vyskazatsja no nikak ne bylo vremeni chitat' vsjo vyshe napisannoe (priznajus' do konca ja tak i ne dochitala )
no xochy skazat' chto ne sovsem ponimaju vopros.. incha nshanakum dzevakanutjun? ne xvatit plakat' i zhalovatsja? To chto genocid pomnjat uzhe dostizhenie!!! prosto ogljanites' i podumajte skol'ko vsego proisxodilo, chto zabyvalos' ljud'mi! a my pomnim! i DA! my dolzhny smejasja, i veselitsja! chem asum Apr. 24-in Tsitsernakaberd gnal axchik kapelu hamar.. baic ete mardiq urish incentive chunen.. pust'! pust' tak, no vsje zhe budut pomnit'! ne xochy raspuskat' demagogiju, ja sama vsego lish rebenok, no xochy skazat' vot chto. So vremenem otnoshenie cheloveka ko vsemy menjaetsja, i bespechnost' molodosti ne vechna, t.k. galisa mi pah erb mi tsanr banov "glxit talis en" i togda ponimaesh chto v zhizni krome parnej/devushek, diskotek, piva, narkotikov, i kislotnoj muziki est' i drugie cennosti, o kotoryx ty konechno znal, i konechno interesovalsja imi, no iz sovershenno drugix pobuzhdenij!
A to chto Egherny darcrel en PR i dzev Hajastani hamar, da voghbali mi pasta!! Iharke menq bolors el uzum enq vor Turqjan ynduni Egherny (which is highly doubtable), baic che vor sa chi miak bany inchi het Hayastany u hayery karogh en identify linel? neuzheli nam bol'she nechem "reklamirovat'" sebja?

lav.. xvatit.. i tak dostatochno dlja osnovatel'noi kritiki v moj "ogorod" ) zaranee sorry esli ne otvechu, ekzameny-S ponimete li

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