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Old 23.04.2004, 22:15   #211
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А это они одни демострацию устраивали, да?
Хотя, даже если одни, то все равно в кресле не поместятся
Кресло, положим, поделят Ну, или перегрызутся позже, что более вероятно. Как верно подметила неМарина, Вазген Манукян уже который раз подряд требует смены власти. У них это кажется вошло в привычку - подумаешь власть, сменим, новую назначим, желательно себя, любимых.
Если ты имеешь в виду массы, которые выходят на демонстрации под руководством этих самых вышеперечисленных мною лиц, то скажу одно: нетрудное это дело - наобещать с три короба райскую жизнь после смены правительства озлобленному народу, который во всех своих бедах, естественно, винит правительство. Потом этот же самый народ конечно же в очередной раз кинут, но это позже. Когда дорвутся до власти.
После карабахцев к власти придут каки-нибудь апаранцы, и все будут говорить, чтое если бы не эти апаранцы, то все было бы хорошо, пускай они убираются на фиг, нам не нужны эти апаранцы, мы любим ленинаканцев... И так по самое немогу
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Как причем демонстранты? Речь о них шла, когда я говорил, что хотят, чтобы К удалился, а ты говорила, что "Oni xotyat ego kreslo zanyat' - i vse dela."
Или твое "они" относилось не к ним? Что-то плохо я улавливаю нить твоей мысли.
Демонстранты кричат то, что кричат лидеры.
Они там собрались по разным причинам - объективным и субъективным, но что касается лидеров, то с ними вопрос ясен, кому заполучить власть, кому ее вернуть.
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Демонстранты кричат то, что кричат лидеры.
Они там собрались по разным причинам - объективным и субъективным, но что касается лидеров, то с ними вопрос ясен, кому заполучить власть, кому ее вернуть.

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Свидетели ночных событий рассказывают, что когда полицейские жестоко избивали участников демонстраций, люди из своих окон кидали на полицейских все, что попадалось под руку: лук, яйца, картошку. !!!


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Потом этот же самый народ конечно же в очередной раз кинут, но это позже. Когда дорвутся до власти.
После карабахцев к власти придут каки-нибудь апаранцы, и все будут говорить, чтое если бы не эти апаранцы, то все было бы хорошо, пускай они убираются на фиг, нам не нужны эти апаранцы, мы любим ленинаканцев... И так по самое немогу

Du havanakanutyunneri tesutyun sovorir aveli lav e.
Isk vor kardaluc lines asem himnakanum vor naxadasutyunneri vra ushadrutyun darcnes

1. Vorqan hachax porces aynqan porci ardyunq' klavacnes
2. Vorqan porid ardyunq' lavana aydqan shat informacia kunenas
3. Vorqan shat informacia unenas aydqan qich porcer kskses anel

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Du havanakanutyunneri tesutyun sovorir aveli lav e.
Isk vor kardaluc lines asem himnakanum vor naxadasutyunneri vra ushadrutyun darcnes

1. Vorqan hachax porces aynqan porci ardyunq' klavacnes
2. Vorqan porid ardyunq' lavana aydqan shat informacia kunenas
3. Vorqan shat informacia unenas aydqan qich porcer kskses anel

Te che yes el karox em emocional datarkabanel

Duq misht eq havanakanutyan tesutyamb arajnordvum? Ayd depqum dzez anhrazhesht e loto xaghal. Ete havanakanutyan tesutyan@ kataryal tirapetum eq, anpayman meqena kshaheq kam mec gumar
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Duq misht eq havanakanutyan tesutyamb arajnordvum? Ayd depqum dzez anhrazhesht e loto xaghal. Ete havanakanutyan tesutyan@ kataryal tirapetum eq, anpayman meqena kshaheq kam mec gumar
Asem vor merorya lotonerum shahelu havanakanutyun' 10 0 i minus 18 astichani kargi e

Patkeracnum es te vorqan angam petq e porcel vor VSTAHABAR shahel???
karox em hushel

Uxix 10 i plus 18 astichan

Isk hayastanum ka asenq 20 ic voch avel marz. Hetevabar 20 porc yev amen inch klini ir texum

Mi txrir. Du miak' ches
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Mek el qo Signature i masin mek harc

SUN aselov qoch in inkati unes?
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Mek el qo Signature i masin mek harc

SUN aselov qoch in inkati unes?
Я фигею Умник выискался...

P.S. SUN aselov i nkati unem miayn ev miayn qez, giteir? Ughaki chei uzum grel "I'll follow VaheX", tepet amenevin vat chi hnchum!
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Проект резолюции ПАСЕ

Draft resolution
1. Since the end of March 2004, a series of protests were organised by the opposition forces in Armenia, calling for the holding of a “referendum of confidence” in President Kocharian. The possibility of such a referendum was first mentioned by the Armenian Constitutional Court following the presidential elections in February and March last year. The Constitutional Court has since reversed its decision and the authorities qualify the opposition demands and protests as an attempt to seize power by force.

2. The demonstrations, while announced, have not been authorised by the authorities who threatened their organisers with criminal prosecution. Following the demonstrations on 5 April, the prosecutor general opened criminal investigations against several members of the opposition and many more were arrested. On the same occasion, several journalists were beaten up by unknown persons while the police was standing by taking no action.

3. New demonstrations took place on 9, 10 and 12 April in Yerevan. In the early morning of 13 April, the security forces violently dispersed some 2000-3000 protesters who were attempting to march towards the presidential palace, calling for President Kocharian’s resignation. The police reportedly used truncheons, water cannons and tear gas, causing dozens of injuries. A number of protesters were arrested, including members of parliament, some of whom are members of the Assembly, and some were allegedly mistreated during their custody by the police. The security forces also assaulted and arrested several journalists who were covering the opposition rally.

4. The tensions in Armenia continue to run high; new protests are planned for the week of 26 April. For the time being, there seems to be little room for dialogue between the authorities and the opposition, even if some offers have been made and some members of the ruling majority – and notably the Speaker of the Armenian parliament – have begun criticising the heavy-handed crackdown on demonstrators.

5. With regard to the conduct of the authorities, the Parliamentary Assembly recalls that its actions are contrary to the letter and the spirit of the recommendations formulated in its Resolution 1361 (2004) adopted last January. It is particularly concerned with the fact that:
i. massive arrests, including on the basis of the Administrative Code, ignored the demand to immediately end the practice of administrative detention and change the Administrative Code used as a legal basis for this practice;
ii. the authorities refused to authorise opposition rallies for reasons not permitted under the European Convention on Human Rights. Moreover the new draft law on the procedure of conducting gatherings, meetings, rallies and demonstrations, currently in the parliamentary procedure, was evaluated as excessively restrictive by experts of the Venice Commission;
iii. persons detained during the recent events were reportedly subjected to ill-treatment by police and security forces, in spite of Assembly’s demands to take resolute and more active steps to remedy misconduct by law enforcement officials;
iv. freedom of expression continues to be seriously curtailed and several acts of violence against journalists, which took place during the recent events, were carried out or were allowed to happen by the police and security forces.

6. With regard to the conduct of the opposition, the Assembly stresses that they should do their utmost to avoid any future violence.

7. As to their demands for the holding of a “referendum of confidence” and the resignation of President Kocharian, the Assembly stresses that:
i. both the presidential, and the parliamentary elections which followed in May last year were severely criticised by the international community, including by the Assembly delegations. The elections fell short of the international standards in key areas and the irregularities observed notably included biased media coverage, detention of opposition proxies and campaign staff, falsification of results, intimidation of observers as well as generally inadequate performance of the elections administration.
ii. although the fraud, in spite of its magnitude, did not decisively change the outcome of the elections nor invalidate their final results, in its report on the honouring of obligations and commitments by Armenia, adopted in January 2004 (Resolution 1361), the Assembly expressed profound disappointment at the conduct of the elections and called for a thorough investigation into electoral fraud and an end to the judicial impunity for those responsible for it.

8. Consequently, the Assembly considers that the opposition, while entitled to fully enjoy their constitutional rights to peaceful assembly, should refrain from attempts to use street demonstrations to reverse the results of last year’s elections, which have been, in spite of the irregularities, validated by relevant national and international bodies.

9. The Assembly calls upon the Armenian authorities to:
i. allow peaceful demonstrations and refrain from any further action which would legally, or in practice, lead to unjustified restrictions to the freedom of assembly guaranteed by the European Convention on human rights;
ii. immediately investigate – in a transparent and credible manner - the incidents and human rights abuses reported during the recent events, including assaults of journalists and human rights activists, and inform the Assembly of their findings and possible legal actions against persons responsible;
iii. immediately release the persons detained for their participation in the demonstrations and immediately end the practice of administrative detention and amend the Administrative Code to this effect;
iv. create fair conditions for the normal functioning of the media, notably as regards the issuing of broadcasting licences to television companies, particularly to television channel A1+;
v. send a written report to the Assembly, before the opening of the June 2004 part-session, on the steps it has taken with regard to sub-paragraphs 9.i , ii, iii and iv.

10. The Assembly calls upon the authorities and the opposition to refrain from any action which may lead to further violence and to engage in a dialogue without preconditions, with a view to resolving the present conflict in accordance with Council of Europe standards and European democratic practice.

11. The Assembly believes that the recent events have added a measure of urgency to its demands for Armenia’s full and unconditional compliance with their obligations and commitments. It resolves to continue to closely monitor the situation in Armenia and, if no progress with regard to sub-paragraphs 9.i, ii, iii and iv is made by the opening of the June 2004 part-session, to reconsider the credentials of the Armenian delegation, in accordance with Rule 9 of its Rules of Procedure.
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А как это будет по русски?
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Вау, даже за А1+ заступились... прогресс, прогресс...
Правильные вещи пишут, просто обидно, что другие страны должны вмешиваться в нашу внутреннюю политику. За державу обидно. И что не в свое дело лезут злит, и что даем поводы лезть обидно...
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Вау, даже за А1+ заступились... прогресс, прогресс...
Правильные вещи пишут, просто обидно, что другие страны должны вмешиваться в нашу внутреннюю политику. За державу обидно. И что не в свое дело лезут злит, и что даем поводы лезть обидно...
Да, очень обидно, что необдуманные действия власти наносят ущерб авторитету государства. Фактически в резолюции сказано, что власти не в состоянии решать политические проблемы правовыми методами. Кроме того еще раз ткнули носом в неисполнении обязательств в рамках СЕ, что тоже нехорошо в плане имиджа страны, ведь это все показатель для инвесторов, которые побоятся вкладывать деньги в экономику государства, в котором не обеспечен должный уровень правосудия и порядка.
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Да, очень обидно, что необдуманные действия власти наносят ущерб авторитету государства. Фактически в резолюции сказано, что власти не в состоянии решать политические проблемы правовыми методами. Кроме того еще раз ткнули носом в неисполнении обязательств в рамках СЕ, что тоже нехорошо в плане имиджа страны, ведь это все показатель для инвесторов, которые побоятся вкладывать деньги в экономику государства, в котором не обеспечен должный уровень правосудия и порядка.
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