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Old 12.11.2004, 15:34   #16
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Привет народ вот хорошая тема для юмора


Недавно изучая Коран и его критику я наткнуlся на весьма интересную деталь, Оказывается один известный средневековый ученный прочитав подлинную версию Корана и его критику нашел что первого человека звали Хай
.. хехехе
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В философском романе Ибн Туфайля "Живой, сын Бодрствующего" ("Хай
ибн Якзан") рассказывается, как на неком острове, расположенном под
экватором, во впадине земли много лет бродила глина. "Наибольшей
соразмерностью обладала ее середина, она же наиболее полно походила на
состав человека. И начался в этой глине процесс зарождения. Стали
возникать в ней, в силу ее клейко-жидкого состояния, как бы пузырьки,
появляющиеся при кипении. В середине ее образовался особенно маленький
пузырек, разделенный на две части тонкой перегородкой, наполненный
нежным, воздушным телом, состав которого очень подходил к требуемой
соразмерности в частях". Постепенно из этого пузырька образовался
живой человек - Хай.
Естественно, представления Ибн Туфайля о зарождении жизни на
Земле наивны. Но замечательна его мысль, что жизнь появилась не по
воле божьей, а возникла естественным путем. Хай вырос и стал
размышлять. Ибн Туфайль устами Хайя высказывает вольнодумные взгляды.
Например, он говорит, что "понятие возникновения мира после небытия
мыслимо только в том смысле, что время существовало раньше его. Но
время составляет часть всего мира и неотделимо от него, и,
следовательно, предположение более позднего возникновения мира, чем
времени, немыслимо"[Ибн-Туфейль. Роман о Хайе, сыне Якзана. Пг., 1920,
с. 38, 67.].

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Old 12.11.2004, 15:40   #17
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Докопался все таки Моно.
Все таки Армяне специфическая нация.
Интересно когда он найдет Ключь?
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И кто посоветовал тебе прочитать это роман Ибн Туфайля?
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Originally Posted by Mono
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Сегодня мы как то совсем нечаянно нашли очень интересную средневековую карту. Карта была большая и его сканировали по кускам потом по фотошопу все склеили..
Может быть дурацкий вопрос: но где нашли-то? А то как-то со стороны звучит как будто разбирали всякий хлам на чердаке и наткнулись на старинную карту.
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дорогой Моно, спасибо за уйму полезной информации...
не стоит ввязывяаться с Историей, Философией и Проведением в раздумья, это лишь поможет понять природу нашего дерьмого положения. НО выход не тут
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Первую Демократическую Конституцию написал Армянин


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Vorogait Paratz (Snares of Glory), the world’s first known blueprint for a constitutional democracy, quite remarkably appeared in Madras, India in 1773, 14 years before the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Right, and three years before the American Declaration of Independence. It was written in classical Armenian by Hakob Shahamirian and the Madras Group.
The Armenian Constitution of 1773 contains five hundred and twenty-one (521) Articles. It embraces familiar concepts of individual liberty, sovereignty of nations, supremacy of the rule of law, a democratic decentralized form of government, independence of the judiciary in a parliamentary system, and the right to vote for elective office. Article 3 proclaims equality before the law, regardless of national origin, status, gender or creed. The Constitution includes freedom of “speech, thought and activity” (Article 500); the right to political asylum (Articles 326-327); the right to travel (Article 367); the right to do good and evil (Article 394); the rights of prisoners (Articles 148, 216, 165), and the rights of the disabled. The Constitution specifies that streets should have names and numbers, and traffic laws. The three branches of government shall be equal in power but not separated. All higher officials and judges shall be elected (Articles 504-507). The ministries mentioned in the Constitution exist in most governments today: Justice, Economy, Defense, National Security, Social Security, and Taxation.
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According to the generally accepted point of view, the foundation of today’s democratic system of rule is the Constitution of the United States of America; drawn up in 1787 and ratified in 1789, it played a revolutionary role in the universal history of statehood and law. That constitution is derived from the “General Law” formulated in England in the 15th century, the traditions of parliaments, which were conceived there with the Magna Carta of 1215 and assumed significant political weight in the 17th century.
Those documents are: the act named “Concerning Agreement of Peoples” (1649), the bill “About Rights” [Bill of Rights] (1689), “Concerning the Form of Government of the Country of England, Scotland, Ireland and Their Territories” (1653).
The United States Constitution contains the theses of the American Declaration of Independence (1776) and the Articles of Confederation (1781). The American version of constitutional government spread to various countries in Africa, Asia, South and North America, as well as Australia.
Parallel to that, the European branch of constitutional and civil law was formulated, following the proclamation of the following: Polish and French Constitution (1791), based on the principles of the Greco-Roman legal tradition and the Proclamation of Human and Citizen’s Rights issued at the outset of the French Revolution (1789); the Constitutions of the Second and Third French Republics (1848, 1875); the Civil Code of Napoleon Bonaparte (1804); the Constitution of Switzerland (1848), then the civil codes of Germany (1896) and Switzerland (1881-1907). This European branch became the foundation of the constitutions and civil rights of other European countries.
If the basis of modern democracy is a system whereby the ruling bodies are constituted through free elections with the equal participation of all classes of society, and its structure is decentralized, as opposed to pyramidal, then those principles, insofar as the organizational structure of the Holy Armenian Apostolic Church is concerned, have existed among the Armenian people since 301 AD. In order to properly understand the following passage, it is imperative for the reader to bear in mind the following circumstances regarding the origin of the organizational structure of our church and the characteristics of its activity.
1. It is an incontestable truth that the dawn of new human civilization was Christianity, which has been and still is the axis, support and zenith of the freedom of mankind and nations, progress and fraternity, democracy and social justice. Following the emergence of Christianity, the reformers, enlighteners, revolutionaries and authors of constitutions and codes of law have all, to one extent or another, based their proposals on the principles of Christian morality. However, that freedom, democracy and justice was maintained to the highest degree and put into practice only in the functioning Christian communities headed by the apostles of Jesus Christ (apostolic era, 1st c.) and in Armenia during the period of St. Gregory and Tiridates III the Great. During the apostolic era, the ECCLESIASTICAL AFFAIRS in Christian communities were administered by councils convened with the participation of laypersons too. St. Gregory spread this same principle not only in connection with the organization of the church but also among all the inhabitants of the land. In this way, St. Gregory, with the assistance of Tiridates III the Great, made Armenia the first Christian state in the world. That is so, since from the moment that Christianity was proclaimed the state religion of Armenia, the entire legislative, executive and spiritual authority was in the hands of St. Gregory. (*) During the apostolic era he put into practice the principles of morality of Christian communities and democracy in an entire state, essentially transforming Armenia into the most enlightened and progressive country in the world. In this way, Armenia during the period of St. Gregory the Illuminator and Tiridates III the Great became the first and only country, where the authority was OFFICIALLY exercised according to the principles operating in the Christian communities of the apostolic era. Neither previously, nor subsequently, were secular and ecclesiastical authorities, together with the people, guided by the principles of morality and coexistence of Christianity with such solidarity, unanimity and togetherness, as they were in Armenia during the period of the joint rule of St. Gregory and Tiridates III the Great. For this reason, the historian wrote:

Значит так, поскольку теперь уже известно что Демократические принципы являутся принципами очень близкими к Армянскому мировозрению значит мы Армянские патриоты НЕ ДОЛЖНЫ ругать Демократию. Издевательство нд Демократией вредит нам и помогает всем тем кто хотел бы насаждать в Армении Фашистский режим типа Саакашвили.

Все это надо ткнуть в лицо тем еврократам который заходят к нам и учат что такое Свобода и Демократия.. Мы знаем что такое Свобода и вскоре весь мир увидит проявления Армянского свободомыслия ..

Но есть одна проблема. В Армении сегодня насаждается Дерьмократия по рецептам ЕвроСовета.. Если углубится в анализ этого строя то мы увидим что там никакой демократией и не пахнет.. То же тоталитарное мышление просто под другими терминами.. Дерьмократия это враг Свободы !!!

Чтобы в Армении создать подлинную Демократию нужно разоблачать тоталитарную сущность нынешной так называемой *Демократии* .. которая на самом деле является дерьмокйратией. Ибо всякое дерьмо может дорватся до власти

Вот такие дела.. Да здраствует Армянская Демократия !!! или АЗГАВАРУТЮН по армянский

ПС. Даже женщины у нас имели право участвовать во время Католикоса.. И после этого какие то типы смеют нас учать гендерному равноправию.. термин то какой придумали.. издевательство над женщинами
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Armenia is the only country in the region and in Europe, where there were neither slaves nor serfs. In Armenia, in the name of more than one kingdoms existing side by side and four consulships (marquis- frontier-guarding principalities) enjoying great autonomy, the decentralized principle of governance generally prevailed, which is one of the components of democracy. No Armenian royal dynasty ever became transformed into an absolute monarchy. During the reign of the Arshakunis, Bagratunis and Cilician royal houses (I’m certain the same also holds true for the Yervandunis and Artashisians), it wasn’t the reigning kings who resolved the most important pan-national issues and approved the pan-Armenian laws but the general assemblies convened by them annually. The popular assemblies of ancient Rome, those gatherings which were reminiscent of tribunal comitia (?), were convened in the temple of Vanatur, at the site called Bagavan in Bagrevand (at the foot of Mt. Npat), during the pre-Christian era, whereas the majority took place in Vagharshapat and Shahapivan during the Christian era. In Armenia, diversity of thought was always present, in the name of royal authority, the princely houses having wide autonomy and private troops, and the holy Armenian Apostolic Church.
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