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Old 05.10.2006, 08:34   #16
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Inchi chem gnum ayntegh aprelu? Vorovhetev Turkyayum chen pashtpanvum mardkanc iravunknere, xoski azatutyune, sepakanutyan iravunke, xghtji azatutyune u like nman baner. Gnam ayntegh vorpes inch ?

xndrum em nerkayacru paster vor Turqiayum chen pashtpanvel mardu iravunqner, xosqi azatutyun, sepakanutyan iravunq, xxchi azatutyun u lik nman baner u zugaher nerkayacru apacucycner vor HAMARZEQ baner pahpanvum en hayastanum

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xndrum em nerkayacru paster vor Turqiayum chen pashtpanvel mardu iravunqner, xosqi azatutyun, sepakanutyan iravunq, xxchi azatutyun u lik nman baner u zugaher nerkayacru apacucycner vor HAMARZEQ baner pahpanvum en hayastanum

spasum em
de Turkyayi arevelkum verdjin 20 tarin mi 3000 gyugh djndjvel e yerkir yeresic u mi 3 million mard el stipvatz teghasharjvel e ir bnakutyan vayreric u hastat voch mi finansakan poxhatucum chi stacel.
de Turkyayum mardun karan dzerbakalen yete inke viravori asenq Ata Turkin kam Turkyayi pative.
de Turkyayum mardun argelvatz e asel vor yeghel e ceghaspanutyun.
de Turkyayum mard partavor e patkanel mi inch vor kronakan pokramasnutyan. Yes orinak karogh e hetanos em, bayc turkyayum chka petakanoren tuylatrvatz nman kronakan pokramasnutyun aynpes vor goyutyan iravunk chem unena.
de Turkyayum sahmanadrutyam generalitete karogh e amen varkyan crel demokratakan skzbunkov entrvatz karavarutyune
u like nman baner


isk Hayastanum vitjake motavorapes ayspes e.
Mardu sepakanutyan iravunke xaxtvum e himnakanum kaghaki kentronum. Bayc asenq mi vorosh poxhatucum marde kstana
Hayastanum marde iravunk chuni xoranalu ceghaspanutyan irakan kazmakerpichneri u drdapattjarneri medj. Dra hamar marde karogh e dzerbakalvel. Orinak Armen Avetisiane.
Hayastanum marde chi karogh azat kensagortzneutyun varel yete chuni socialakan kart. aysinqn mardu iravunke xaxtvatz e.
hayastanum.
Hayastanum joghovrdi koghmic chverahskvogh marmine kargavorum e herustaradiokapughinere. Inche joghovrdi azat entrutyan hnaravorutyan sahmanapakum e.
Hayastanum artaqin kaghakanutyune voroshvum e aranc joghovrdi kamqe harcnelu.
u like nman baner

Kani vor ayn bolore inch tvarkeci Hayastani hamar arka e nayev Turkyayum yev mi ban el aveli apa naxentreli e Hayastane
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de Turkyayi arevelkum verdjin 20 tarin mi 3000 gyugh djndjvel e yerkir yeresic u mi 3 million mard el stipvatz teghasharjvel e ir bnakutyan vayreric u hastat voch mi finansakan poxhatucum chi stacel.
de Turkyayum mardun karan dzerbakalen yete inke viravori asenq Ata Turkin kam Turkyayi pative.
de Turkyayum mardun argelvatz e asel vor yeghel e ceghaspanutyun.
de Turkyayum mard partavor e patkanel mi inch vor kronakan pokramasnutyan. Yes orinak karogh e hetanos em, bayc turkyayum chka petakanoren tuylatrvatz nman kronakan pokramasnutyun aynpes vor goyutyan iravunk chem unena.
de Turkyayum sahmanadrutyam generalitete karogh e amen varkyan crel demokratakan skzbunkov entrvatz karavarutyune
u like nman baner

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Mardu sepakanutyan iravunke xaxtvum e himnakanum kaghaki kentronum. Bayc asenq mi vorosh poxhatucum marde kstana

1. Hamadzaynvir sa ndhamen' pahanjarki harc e. der qaxaqi kentronn e pahanjvac. Chnayac yerek parzvec vor gyuxeru, gyuxacineric (AZ um karavarutyan harc u patasxan, Varchapet hastatec patgamavori harc) gyuxerum mardkanc dzerqic vercnum em IRENC patkanox canqataracqner'
Yes konkret em lsel, henc yerek, du konkret past chberecir Turqiayi veraberyal. Karox em apacucel Hanrayinic xndrelov dzaynagrutyun'.

2. Hayastanum Poxos Poxosyanin spanecin Robert Qocharyani yeresin Ara Rob aselu hamar. Apacuycner karox enq uzel HH datakan hamakargic.

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Hayastanum marde iravunk chuni xoranalu ceghaspanutyan irakan kazmakerpichneri u drdapattjarneri medj. Dra hamar marde karogh e dzerbakalvel. Orinak Armen Avetisiane.
3. Sharunakem u avelin asem. Hayastani Hanrapetakan kusakcutyun shrjanarutyan mej e drel orenqi naxagic(hexinak Armen Ashotyan) vor Hayastanum cexaspanutyan katarman past' merzelu hamar mardun daten.(qreakan hancagorcutyun e nerkayacvac da orinagcum)

4. Yes chanachum em turqiayum mardu vor hetanos e. Havaqner en anum iranc hetanosnerov. gnum en irenc srbatexiner' u voch voq dranc hamar nranc chi datum. Imijayloc ed mard turq chi ayl parsik. u dra hamar nran chen gndakaharum turqiayum. Nenc en verabervum vonc vor stex Yehovayi Vkanerin.

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Hayastanum marde chi karogh azat kensagortzneutyun varel yete chuni socialakan kart. aysinqn mardu iravunke xaxtvatz e.
hayastanum.
5. Erekva 05/10/2006 drutyamb popoxutyamb(Azgayin Zoxov) xmbagrvel e orenq' u kareli e finansakan gorcarqner katarel (orinak toshak stanal) aranc Socialakan qarti


Vonc frrum em hamarya identik petutyunner en. Inch xndir ka ndex chaprelu kam stex aprelu chem haskanum.


Hima hayastan chi dzum gna stuc NAMANAVAND VOR Turqian qo karciqov qo hayreniqn e(Hayq) gna endex aprir, namanavand vor ches karox BUN pasterov apacucel(yes im nshac maserov karox em apacucel) vor qo kyanqn endex aveli e vtangvac qan estex. Aylntranq unes Mono jan.

Kam edqan asum es Xarabax, ban man. uzum en tan mer ishxanutyunner. Mer patmakan hoxer blam dlyam. es anen en anen. Gna xarabax apri. gna gravac taracqnerum apri. Xi axdamum ches aprum? menak toxnen ed taracqner pashtpanes inch vor naxadasutyunner grelov voronq baci meroncic urish voch meki tandzin chi.
ndex el ho eshid chosh asox chka? ndex el ho turqer chen bnakvum vor chen toxni hetanos lines?
Gna bnakecru vor ndex 1 hay ov(edqan govum es hay tesak, hayi vogi) avel lini qan araj er.


Mono jan inchu es Hayastani Hanrapetutyunum yerb qo vsem gaxaparnerov unes arnvanzn erku ayl aprelu tex u ed vsem gaxaparnerd iragorcelu hamar ka hnaravorutyun gna apri xarabax, gravac taracnqerum, kam turqiayum.

P.S. es harcers pahanjum en chapazanc mec ankexcutyun u hamarcakutyun.
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Paster inchkan uzes

Mti google.com tpi human rights violation turkey u tes incher kta
orinak sa
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atrocities, in the form of attacks against civilians and unarmed government employees, have been systematically used by Turkish forces as smoke screens to cover up their own atrocities, i.e. opening fire on mass demonstrations, torching 1,500 villages, displacing 2 million civilians and attacking villages, towns and cities. Thus many Turks, acting under the assumption that the national press is reporting the truth, are inclined to end the crisis through military means -- replying to guns with guns. This policy, instigated by the ANAP government in the late 1980s, is the policy responsible for the death of over 15,000 people in the past decade.
http://theory.rockefeller.edu/~giannak/turkey.html

miguce ko hamar kich e 1500 gyughe bayc nkati ar vor da innsunakanneri keseri text e.

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Hima hayastan chi dzum gna stuc NAMANAVAND VOR Turqian qo karciqov qo hayreniqn e(Hayq) gna endex aprir, namanavand vor ches karox BUN pasterov apacucel(yes im nshac maserov karox em apacucel) vor qo kyanqn endex aveli e vtangvac qan estex
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Զեկուցագրում մատնացույց է արվում թուրքական զինված ուժերի հետ PKK-ի դեռեւս 1984-ին սկզբնավորված զինված պայքարը, խոսվում է երկրում քրդերի իրավիճակի վրա այդ պայքարի բացասական անդրադարձի մասին եւ զինյալ բախումները բնութագրվում են որպես «քաղաքացիական դե ֆակտո պատերազմ»:
http://www.azg.am/?lang=AR&num=2006100603
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Այս հանգամանքն, ըստ երեւույթին, հավասարակշռությունից հանել է Մեջլիսի պատվիրակությանը, որ նրա անդամներից Ժողովրդա-հանրապետական կուսակցության ներկայացուցիչ եւ նախկին դեսպան Շուքրու Էլեքդաղը շանտաժի է դիմել: Նա ակնարկել է, որ օրինագծի ընդունման դեպքում Թուրքիայից կվտարվեն Հայաստանի քաղաքացիները: Որպեսզի շանտաժը նպատակին ծառայի, նա վերջիններիս թիվը, որը «Ակօսի» խմբագիր Հրանտ Դինքի տվյալներով 4 հազարից չի անցնում, հասցրել է 70 հազարի:
http://www.azg.am/?lang=AR&num=2006100608

de yete du himnavor himq ches hamarum vorpes kyanqin u sepakanutyane sparnacogh vtangner yes chgitem apa el inche kez karogh e hamozel vor ayd yerkrum mi ban ayn chi. Yerevi massayakan djarder petk e linen cucadrakan kaxarannerov vor du verjapes endunes ayd parz iroghutyune. chnayatz hayeri medj mi yurahatuk tesak ka vor angam bacahayt djardere bavarar himq chi enduni vorpeszi irenc kartzratiperic durs gan. Inchpes da yeghav Adanayi djarderic heto yerb aknhayt er vor yeritturkere demokrat chen, bayc de miyevnuyn e gtnvecin hayer vor sharunakecin pndel vor yeritturkere demokrat en endhup minchev 1915-e u nuynisk dranic el heto.

PS. I dep du chnkatelu tvecir Ata Turki u Turkakanutyane viravoroghneri kreakan patasxanatvutyan yentarkelu paste. Du miguce da hamarum es yerkrordakan ban bayc hishecnem kez vor Evropayum aysor qreakan hetapndman chen yentarkum angam Kristosin hayhoyelu hamar.
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1. Hamadzaynvir sa ndhamen' pahanjarki harc e. der qaxaqi kentronn e pahanjvac. Chnayac yerek parzvec vor gyuxeru, gyuxacineric (AZ um karavarutyan harc u patasxan, Varchapet hastatec patgamavori harc) gyuxerum mardkanc dzerqic vercnum em IRENC patkanox canqataracqner'
Yete xorananq nman depker Stambulum el kgtnenq. Bolor nor kaghaknere voronq karucvel en hin kaghakneri vra unecel en ayd tipi problemner.

gyughakan hamaynqnerum
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For more than eighteen years Human Rights Watch has been receiving reports of violations by village guards—murders, rapes, robberies, house destruction, and illegal property occupation, among others.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/08/turkey13578.htm
de brnabarutyun, goghutyun ed bolore hech, ed der taneli e, bayc pastoren ka sepakanutyan anorinakan zavtum
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index...pen&of=ENG-TUR
vor xoranam metz kaghakneri hamar el nman baner kgtnem, yete shat es uzum.

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2. Hayastanum Poxos Poxosyanin spanecin Robert Qocharyani yeresin Ara Rob aselu hamar. Apacuycner karox enq uzel HH datakan hamakargic.
Yerevi moracel es vonc Ozali oxraniknere avtomatnerov sksecin tashel amboghdj parlamente ayn banic heto yerb Ozali nkatmamb mahaporc yeghav.

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3. Sharunakem u avelin asem. Hayastani Hanrapetakan kusakcutyun shrjanarutyan mej e drel orenqi naxagic(hexinak Armen Ashotyan) vor Hayastanum cexaspanutyan katarman past' merzelu hamar mardun daten.(qreakan hancagorcutyun e nerkayacvac da orinagcum)
De da arden evro-hreakan mtatzoghutyan ardyunk e. Hay hasarakutyune nman pahandjark chuni. Yes aydpisi orenke hamarum em animast. Bayc de evropakan mtatzelakerpe mez el e arden varakum u ardyunkum haytnvum en aydpisi inkvizitorakan orenkner.
Aynpes vor sa yevs mi apacuyc e vor evropakan mtatzelakerpe azat chi. ayl sharunakum inkvizitorakan tradicianere


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4. Yes chanachum em turqiayum mardu vor hetanos e. Havaqner en anum iranc hetanosnerov. gnum en irenc srbatexiner' u voch voq dranc hamar nranc chi datum. Imijayloc ed mard turq chi ayl parsik. u dra hamar nran chen gndakaharum turqiayum. Nenc en verabervum vonc vor stex Yehovayi Vkanerin.
Real paster ber. Mi enker unem vor yeghel e Marsum himnavor apacuyc chi

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5. Erekva 05/10/2006 drutyamb popoxutyamb(Azgayin Zoxov) xmbagrvel e orenq' u kareli e finansakan gorcarqner katarel (orinak toshak stanal) aranc Socialakan qarti
Chhaskaca sa aradjentac er te hetentac ?
ham el yes kaskatzum em vor sockartere khanen shrdjanarutyunic.

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Vonc frrum em hamarya identik petutyunner en. Inch xndir ka ndex chaprelu kam stex aprelu chem haskanum.
Identik klinen yerb vor ko nman mtatzoghnere mer mot kreakan hetapndumneri yentarkven, vorovhetev du viravorum es Haykakanutyune

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I dep Eskimo
Shat tarorinak e, vor du Hayastanum mardu iravunkneri votnaharumneri medj chhishecir orinaki hamar ayn sahmanadrutyune vore shat shateri kartzikov voch legitim e
Ko kartzikov ayn legitim e te voch?


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Kam edqan asum es Xarabax, ban man. uzum en tan mer ishxanutyunner. Mer patmakan hoxer blam dlyam. es anen en anen. Gna xarabax apri. gna gravac taracqnerum apri. Xi axdamum ches aprum?
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P.S. es harcers pahanjum en chapazanc mec ankexcutyun u hamarcakutyun.
Isk du endunum es vor ayd taratzknere haykakan en u PETK e verahskven haykakan petutyan koghmic?
I dep ayd harce verabervum e voch myayn Aghdamin ayl nayev Turkyayi arevelyan shrdjannerin.
Du endunum es vor ayd taratzknere PETK e verahskven haykakan petutyan koghmic?
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Im karciq'.
Axdam hayastan che Mono. Stepanakertn el hayastan che, Da Xarabaxi Inqnavar Marzi Marzkentronn e indz hamar. Haykakan zorqer' okupacren en Adrbejanakan hox.

Javaxq vortex cnvel e im hayr, HAYASTAN CHE. Im hayr chi cnvel hayastanum. Yes cnvel em hayastanum isk hima arden unem ankax hayreniq.

Javaxq' voch te Mec Hayqi gugarq nahangi pochn e vor srika tshnaminer pokel kpcrel en Iberiayin ayl ndhamen' Vrastani mi masn e.

Yes hamadzayn chem Dashnakchikneri gorcuneutyan het. Eli em nshum Dashnakchik anvanum em voch te Dashnaknerin(nranq ekel en ishxanutyunneri u votner qari tak e arajva axmaxutyunnerov pashtonapes zbaxvelu), ayl irencic tarnajatvac, hnaravor e nuyn finansakan mijocnerov hovanavorvox u cayrahexakan (inchpes qaxaqakan aynpes el tntesakan, tntesagitakan) gaxaparner qarozox uzerin.

Aydpisiq shatacel en verjers, qez el em hamarum nrancic mek'.
Indz hamar hayastan e handisanum mer 29 hazar qarakusi kilometr. Hima uzum es indz hamari Moloryal (inchpes dashnakchikneric mekn asec mi or) uzum es anvani Amerikayamol(sa el mi urish dashnakchik asec) uzum es anvani Turq(mekn el senc anvanec) yev ayln.
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vay greci greci konkret chpatasxaneci

Yes gtnum em vor gravyal taracqner' chpetq e verahskven hayastani hanrapetutyan koxmic.

yes gtnum em vor nerkayis hanraqven legitim che.
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