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Old 28.05.2007, 20:23   #46
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??? Chem zhe oni razny?
Tolko tem, chto blagodarya Provideniyu, podderzhannomu bor'boi, Kapan ne byl sdan v nachale proshlogo veka, a Kel'badzhar - pal zhertvoi politicheskoi intrigi. Vsego lish'.

Obe territorii strategicheski vazhny. Vrpochem kak i lyuboi drugoi kusok nashei malen'koi rodiny - my ne nastol'ko bogaty, chtoby razbazarivat' tem malym, chto imeem.



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Армян там нет(кроме военных) вот чем, и не предвидется их появление там.
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Old 28.05.2007, 20:27   #47
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Ну это зависит от того что есть Мы? Вернее что есть наше Я.! Только ли биомеханическое тело, или все таки что то другое,... но это будет оффтопом поэтому можем продолжать этот вопрос в разделе Философия
В данном случаи имелось в виду мое конкретное тело с личностью конечно на пару, как я понял ни у того ни удругого шансов на этот рай нет.
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Old 28.05.2007, 20:28   #48
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Армян там нет(кроме военных) вот чем, и не предвидется их появление там.
I would expect more optimism from a person who claims to be an incurable optimist
Vse mozhet byt', dorogoi dr. Luis, vse mozhet byt'. Kak govoritsya: nikogda ne govori nikogda
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Old 28.05.2007, 20:37   #49
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I would expect more optimism from a person who claims to be an incurable optimist
Vse mozhet byt', dorogoi dr. Luis, vse mozhet byt'. Kak govoritsya: nikogda ne govori nikogda
Ну мой оптимизм к Кельбайджарскому вопросу не относится.
А вот за это может быть при очень маленьких шансах приходится тратить и без того скудные ресурсы, причем уже сейчас.
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Old 28.05.2007, 20:46   #50
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мне лично кажется что примирение в ближайшем будущем невозможно по одной простой причине - их пропаганда так упорно создает образ врага-армянина у своего населения, что те просто не смогут жить в мире с нами, хоть ты им всю Армению подари.
в нас тоже силен образ врага-турка, но это ни в какое сравнение не идет с их пропагандой.
вот потому-то все эти уступки, референдумы, поэтапные/пакетные и пр. решения - фигня. если кто и хочет установить мир, должен начинать выгребать дерьмо из мозгов простых турок, щедро залитое туда их правителями.
или оставить все как есть, время расставит все по своим местам.

пс. мне кажется Моно этот момент имел в виду, когда говорил о французах. նրանք տենց վայրենի չեն, ու թուրքերի պես նման աստիճանի իդիոտիզմի չեն հասնի։
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Old 28.05.2007, 20:59   #51
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вообще интересный расклад
им заливают про древний (пока не определились правда, то-ли наследник шумеров, то-ли ассирийцев, то-ли албанцев, то-ли армян (настоящих армян а не хаев)) толерантный турецкий народ и зверских коварных пришлых (то-ли из степей Монголии, то-ли вовсе с другой планеты) хаев с концлагерями посреди многострадального "Иравана", которых они вот-вот напугают до усрачки своим военным бюджетом.
нам заливают про то что надо идти на уступки, жить с соседями в мире, нормы международного права, проявление доброй воли... время от времени угрожают войной.
к чему это может привести?
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Old 29.05.2007, 07:13   #52
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уже можно подписать индивидуально тут: http://www.miacum.ru/
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Old 29.05.2007, 19:13   #53
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Я слышал ассирийцы тоже подключились ...
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Old 29.05.2007, 19:52   #54
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Territorial gambling is a mortal threat for future of Armenian statehood
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Any attempts of political gambling or speculations to surrender the liberated territories by no means provide a sensible solution to the Nagorno Karabakh conflict. On the contrary, they represent a mortal threat not only to the future of Artsakh but also to the integrity of the Armenian statehood,” says the statement of Armenian Internet resources entitled “Against the Surrender of the Liberated Territories”. In particular, the document reads as follows, “Trapped in the swamp of “constructive negotiations” Armenian politicians do nothing but endanger the very existence of the Armenian nation and make us involuntarily witnesses to what can be described as a modern “Munich Agreement”, which could leave us in a strategic deadlock and most surely contribute to an unleashing of a new aggressions against both the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and the Republic of Armenia.

Today, on May 28th, when Armenians all over the world proudly celebrate the creation of the first Armenian Republic of 1918, we would also like to remind of the disgraceful end of that very same republic in 1920. Because of the “courtesy” of “constructive compromises” and “diplomatic maneuvers” by then Armenian government, Kars, Igdyr, the holy Mount Ararat and the ancient capital Ani were surrendered without firing a single shot. And as a result tens of thousands lives had perished in vain.

We demand and urge the current government and political leaders call an immediate halt to any discussions or negotiations regarding the possible surrender of the liberated regions of Artsakh. We also insist on complete declassification of the information for the ongoing negotiations in view of the fact that concealment of any information vital for the future of the Armenian nation is utterly unacceptable.

Any politician or public officer, regardless of his/her previous honors for serving the nation, who should openly declare or demonstrate a willingness to surrender Armenian lands, will be regarded a national traitor and a blatant enemy of the state.”! Reproduction in full or in part is prohibited without reference to «PanARMENIAN.Net».

Source: PanARMENIAN.Net

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Old 30.05.2007, 14:28   #55
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Old 31.05.2007, 09:13   #56
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Даже в НГ написали !!!

http://www.ng.ru/cis/2007-05-31/7_erevan.html?sublist
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Old 02.06.2007, 18:23   #57
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если администрация не против, просьба добавить баннер
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Old 03.06.2007, 05:15   #58
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Сдача территорий неприемлема, исходя из оборонно-стратегических соображений. Все остальное - второстепенно.
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Old 03.06.2007, 21:00   #59
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text for spreading in diaspora etc, plz forward:

AGAINST SURRENDER OF LIBERATED ARMENIAN TERRITORIES
Dear countrymen and friends of Armenia,

On May 26, 2007 the Azerbaijani FM made a statement that Armenia and Azerbaijan had come to an agreement over the Nagorno Karabakh conflict resolution, according to which the Armenian side will hand over 7 former Azerbaijani districts of historical Artsakh land back to Azerbaijan, which our brothers liberated from the Turks during the bloody Artsakh war. The Armenian military force will be replaced by an international peacekeeping mission.
http://www.today.az/news/politics/41398.html

Simultaneously, according to Azerbaijani press, Minsk Group representatives made similar statements in Baku: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22444

A few days ago, the President of Artsakh made a statement, in which he tried to assure people that Kashatagh (Lachin corridor) will not be given to Azerbaijan: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22368

On June 1, 2007 the Associated Press cited the OSCE Minsk Group Co-chair of the USA Matthew Bryza: "If the St. Petersburg meeting (of Azerbaijani and Armenian presidents, scheduled on June 9, 2007) is successful, then the number of differences remaining on basic principles could be reduced to close to zero" and that the two sides have agreed on the return of districts surrounding NK that are also under ethnic Armenian control. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...Azerbaijan.php

Besides being historical Armenian lands liberated for the first time in contemporary Armenian history, these districts constitute a security guaranty for Artsakh and its population. More on the strategic significance of these territories here: http://www.regnum.ru/english/679147.html.

On the unacceptability of foreign “peacekeeping” forces in/around NK here: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22472.

In order to prevent the surrender of lands that will lead to the loss of Artsakh and a consequent loss of both Armenian statehoods, a group of Armenian activists has started a protest movement. The Online part of the protest actions comprises a statement-petition prepared by Armenian web-forums. We call upon individuals, organizations, web portals to join our protest and sign the petition here:

http://www.miacum.ru

Best regards,
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Old 04.06.2007, 03:08   #60
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я подумал, что было бы неплохо организовать пикет-плакат хотя бы в виде одного человека в самом Питере, где на днях будет встреча президентов

пост на форуме армян Петербурга
http://forum.armiane.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?t=1628

пока молчок

во всяком случае стоило бы сделать дизайн плаката и постнуть там на форум
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