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Old 23.09.2002, 03:33   #1
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Sench yes dzer mot mi tema e bacel ( nkati unem hayastan.com-um ) . Endhanur kronakan temanerov.

Bayc hargarjan Webmastere brnel u djndjel er ayn. Inch e te yes ayntegh hamardzukutyun ei unecel aselu te Kristose astvatz chi.

Yes chem haskanum es 21-rd dari skzbin dzer forumum Inkvizicyayi orenkner en gortzum te inch.???

Yete hargarjan Webmastere chi karoghanum inkn ir mtkere pashtpanel yes meghk chunem. Yete aydpes heros lav tgha e togh ga aystegh pashtpani ira mtkere, neutral teritoryanneri vra.

PS. Mi xorhurd unem yes iren togh chzarmana. Sa 21-rd dar e u Interneti dar e yev ira Inkvizicionakan metodnere ays darum chen ancni. !!!
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Old 23.09.2002, 06:00   #2
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Inch e te yes ayntegh hamardzukutyun ei unecel aselu te Kristose astvatz chi.
Amen inch parz er, bayc mi ban chhaskaca
Ay es qo gratsov inch eir uzum asel???
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Yes chem endunum vor Kristose Astvatz e yev hamarum em shat sxal ban vor hay azge havatum e dran.

Marde chi karogh Astvatz linel.

Kristose ,Mohamedi kam Konfuciayi u Buddayi pes mard e bayc voch avel.

Chi kareli kurker steghtzel u pashtel nranc
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Yes chem endunum vor Kristose Astvatz e yev hamarum em shat sxal ban vor hay azge havatum e dran.

Marde chi karogh Astvatz linel.

Kristose ,Mohamedi kam Konfuciayi u Buddayi pes mard e bayc voch avel.

Chi kareli kurker steghtzel u pashtel nranc
Aydqanov du asum es, vor du axand es???
Aysinqn du ches davanum Hay Araqelakan Ekexecun du shexvel es irakan havatqic, isk axand nshanakum e mi banov pakas (shexvats) irakanic, isk taxand nshanakum e mi banov avel (arajavor)!
Ev du shexvelov irakan havatqic dardzel es axand cavakcum em qez ev hordorum vor shut havtqi gas.
Ha mekel aydpisi hamematutyunner myus angam chanes
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Yes kxndreyi dzez aranc imanalu harci eutyune aydpisi anhetetutyunner indz chveragrel.

Kartzem Hayastanum amen vok Iravunk uni davanel ayn inch uzum e. Yete sxalvum em indz ughir.

Yes kartzum em vor Kristoenutyune yev Islame drank yerkusn el Hudayizmi tjyughavorumner en. U ayn paste vor menk ayn endunel enk aradjine vochinchov mez ayn mere chi dardznum.

Endhakarake aradji kristoneacnoghnere brni kerpov vochnchacrecin amboghdj hin haykakaan krmakan giteliknere. Kandecin nranc tatjarner. Da el herik cher yerb tznvecin Pavlikyan u Tondrakyan sharjumnere xeghdecin nranc aryan medj.

El chem asum vor minchev 19rd dare Aghotknere grabar ein kardum u joghovurde kani gnac otaracav haykakan akunkneric.

Apagayi hamar yes hamarum em, vor inchkan sharunakvi Hayastani vera-kristoneacume apa mez hamar VAT KLINI. Yete nuynisk chasem shat vat klini. 21rd darum Kristoneutyamb du ches karoghana ayn 4.000.000 mardkanc ovker hima artasahmanum en u kamac kamac moranum en irenc yerkirn el irenc lezun el het beres. Mi 30 -50 tari heto mer spyurki 20 tokosn el vor mna xer klini.


Hima inch verabervum e aghandverin apa asem vor ayd dzer kristoenaneri koghmic chsirvatz aghandnere nuyn Biblyayi vra en himnvatz yev kshum en nuyn eshe inch vor Kristoneutyune. Biblyan ( hatkapes hin ktakarane ) endanrapes mi girk e vortegh amen inch txatz e urish tegheric. Yev im hamar konkret metz tarberutyun chka Yehovayi vka te Mormon to Kristonea Katolik.



Inch verabervum e hayerin apa IMHO hayere petk e unenan irenc arandzin krone kochek ayn yete uzum ek Armenizm. Vorpes irenc myak havate u huyse apagayi hamar. !!!!

Kartzum em im dirkoroshume dzer hamar parz dardzav
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Es verjnakanapes hamozveci, vor shat chisht en arel Haystan.com moderatornern u adminner@, vor qo poster@ jnjel en` ete es el ayd hnaravorutyun@ unenayi henc hima mets hachuyqov es el kjnjei ayd qo grats toxer@, vor@ aveli lav er mi hat turq grer qan te hay. Azgakortsan haytararutyunner el mi ani` ayn el ayn depqum, vor mer azgin aysqan tariner ira Surb Ekexecin e pahel u hima el mer tshnamin qo nman mardkanc mijocov uzum e ayd havat@ tulacnel vorpeszi mez verjnakanapes vochnchacni
Ayo Hayastanum amen voq iravunq uni davanel ayn inch uzum e, bayc indzanic u im nman mardkancic heru gna qo hamar davani u ayd gaxaparaxosutyunt el mi taratsi forumi mijocov
U henc IMNO Hayer@ sax ashxarhum unen irenc Hzor kron@ du mi anhangstana. Isk ete du urish baneri es davanel Hayeri vzin inchi es patatum gna heru inch uzum es davani
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Arajarkum em jnjel ays topic@ @ndhanrapes!!!
Ev im kartsiqov Hayastan.com um shat chisht en varvel
Ete nuyn@ duq aneq es shnorhakal klinem dzeznic` da shat xelamit qayl klini
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2 Edmon

Hangstacir. Ajs topicy voch mi banov chi xaxtum ajs forumi kanonnery.

Baci ajd shat harcerum, es Monoi het hamadzajn em. Ete sxal es hamarum, xndrem, karox enq qnnarkel privatum.
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2 Mono > As always, u rulezzz foreva

2 All > kron@ arajin hertin petq e caraji azgi npataknerin, uzuma qristoneutjun kochvi, uzuma iudaizm kam voreve ajl ban. Tsitata: "Եթե կրոնը (հեթանոսությունը, քրիստոնեությունը) նպաստավոր է հայոց բարոյական հզորացմանը, հոգեւոր ինքնահսկայացմանը, ուրեմն այո՛ այդ կրոնին, եթե, ընդհակառակը (թյուրըմբռնման, սխալ մեկնաբանության, ավելորդ ջերմեռանդության, կամ մեկ այլ պատճառով), ուրեմն մերժելի է"

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Minch im gnale karadjarkeyi dzez ays tekste Hayastan.com-ic

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Ancyali veraberyal menk hatuk tshnamank chunenk.
Kristoenutyune menk endunecink aradjine 301 tvin vorosh
kaghakakan npataknerov u huys unenalov vor da joghovrdin
kogni pahel ir azgayin inknagitakcutyune. Asel vor
Kristoneutyune voch mi ogut chtvec sxal klini. Verdji verdjo
steghtzvecin haykakan tarere hay matenagrutyune yev verdji
verdjo unecank Narekaci vore aradjin boghokokakann er.
Yevropayum tirum er xore xavar isk mer mot kar Narekaci.
Bayc dranic en koghm cavok menk chgnacink. Inkners mer isk
dzerkerov xeghdecink Pavlikyan sharjume vore aradji
reformistakan sharjumn er ayd jamanakva ashxarhum.

Mi kerp yola gnalov ekank hasank 20-rd dar. 20-rd dari
skzbin mer inknapahpanman refleksnere arden chkayin. Yev dra
medj ir meghke uni Kristoneutyune. Aveli shut Hay Arakelakan
Yekeghecin. Vore cher zbaghvum mer azgi vogin bardzr
pahelov. Ir grabar aghotknerov joghovrdin heracrel er
Yekeghecuc. Arevmtyan Hayastani hayere arden moranum ein
Hayerene yev turkeren ein xosum, vorovhetev turkeren lezvov
irenk karogh ein lsel siro bnutyan masin geghecik yerger isk
hayerenov myayn terunakan aghotkner. Turkere mez 15 tvic
aradj haghtel ein arden hogebanoren yev heto nor haghtecin
fizikapes. 19-rd dari veraberyal kardacek Abovyani grkere
yev kpatkeracnek amen inch.

Yev hima menk hasel enk aynpisi vitjaki vor Hayastanum
mnacel e 3 millionic el pakas mard. Drserum unenk 4 million
mard. Unenk mi hzor tshnami Turkya arevmutkic mi tshnami
arevelkic Adrbedjan, hyusisum unenk kaykayvogh Vrastan
vortegh lcvum en Turkere yev el chsharunakem inknerd gitek.

Turkeri het menk el chenk karogh hashtvel da bacarvum e.
Yev togh vorosh hayer avelord huyser chkapen vor yete menk
Turkeri aradj pahandjner chdnenk apa irenk mez hangist
ktoghnen. Voch mi depkum irenk el giten vor yete irenk mer
harcere chverdjacnen apa irenk el meznic hangist chenk
unenalu.
Uremn Kyanki u Mahvan harc e drvatz. Kam irenk kam menk.

Ekek nuynisk mi koghm toghnenk mer ancyale. Vorovhetev
ancyale el chenk karogh poxel. Nerenk Hay Arakelakan
Yekeghecun ir sxalnere. Inchpes nerecink Kommunistneri
vorosh sxalner. U nayenk apagan.

Apagayum MENK KORCNELU ENK ayd spyurki 4 million hayeri
adjakcutyune. Togh voch mek kaskatz chunena vor gnacatzneri
80 % tokose motaka 30 tarin kdzulven irenc gnacatz
yerkrnerum, kmoranan irenc hay linele. Germanyayum aveli
arag, Fransyayum mi kich dandagh, Amerikayum arag, Isk
Rusastanum el de inknerd gitek.

Hima yelk ka es vitjakic???
Yelk misht ka. Tyezerk = Astvatze bolorin misht shans e
talis. Bayc vorpeszi tvatz shanseric ogtvel gone petk e
haskanal Tyezerakan orenknere. Bnutyune entrum e misht nranc
ovker haskanum en ir orenknere. Kayin Dinozavrer chkan
Dinozavrer, kar Hrom chka Hrom, nranc poxarinelu yekan aveli
kataryalnere. Yev aydpes sharunak galu en aveli kataryalnere
yev haghtelu en ankatarnerin. Yev da e Bnutyan ARDARUTYUNE.
Tyezerkum misht ka ARDARUTYUN. Turkere mi or patasxanelu en
irenc ararkneri hamar. Bayc harce ayn e da klini mer dzerkov
te klini urishneri dzerkov??? Kkaroghanank menk hasnel ayd
ardarutyane mer ujerov te voch???

Isk vonc karogh enk hasnel ayd ARDARUTYANE.???

Myayn u myayn tjanachelov Tyezerki orenknere yev nra
amenhimnakan ORENKE ( yete uzum ek anvanek nran ASTVATZ )

Tyezerki orenkner aselov yes nkati unem AMEN INCH inchi
vor hasel e Mardkutyune. Vomank kartzum en te menk
Azgaynamol enk. Da aynkan el aydpes chi. Menk endunum enk
amen inche menk gtnum enk vor tjmartamot e yev karogh e
ogtavet linel mer azgi hamar. Karevor chi te da vor azgin
kam kronin e patkanum. Nuynisk yete patkanum e Islamin kam
turkerin. Orinakl Islamum kan shat hetakrkir avanduytner
voronk cher xangari vor mer joghovurde enduner. Da
gerezmanneri harcn e. Musulmanneri bolor gerezmannere irar
nman en yev ughvatz en depi Mekka. Harust te aghkat unen
nuyn chapi yev dzevi Gerezmanakarer.
Isk hayeri mot??? Haruste sarkum e chgitem inch dghyak ir
merelneri hamar isk aghkatnere nuynisk chen karoghanum mi
kar dnel. Gone mahic heto bolors petk e havasar linenk.
El chem asum finansakan avelord tzaxsere. Mardik kan irenc
yerexaneri krtutyan poghe ktrum en talis Gerezmanakar
sarkelu. Aydpisi apushutyunner mer azge iravunk chuni anelu.
El chem asum vor menk Kyanki symvol Xache ( vor bun
haykakan simvol e ) darcrel enk Mahvan simvol. Ughaki
amotali e,
Menk iravunk chunenk shraylutyunneri. Amen jame vor hay
yerexan kardum e Biblya da koratz jamanak e nra hamar. Ayd
grki poxaren na petk e karda ir azgi patmutyune, petk e
karda gitakan grker, petk e karda asthagitutyan masin grker.
Menk karogh enk haghtel myayn u myayn Mtkov yev Texnikayov
urish fanatik kristoneakan zarancanknere chen ancni
joghovurd. Sa arden 21-rd dar e. Yev paykare linelu e dajan.
Hima ashxarhum yeghatz 6000 azger u azgutyunneric metz mase
chen dimana es Globalizacyayin yev che ntesni 22-rd dare.
Arevmtyan karozi pressingi tak yevropakan azgere chen
dimanum el ur mnac manr munr azger.

Dra hamar mez hayeris petk e henc hima henc aysor
Jamanakakic, bun gitutyan u bolor hamamardkayin kronneri u
usmunkneri vra steghtzvatz hzor Gaghaparaxosutyun yev Kron.
Da e linelu mer hamar aradjin zenke. Mer mitke mer logikan
mer entanekan avanduytnere vor mez poxancel en mer papere.
Ayd depkum amen inch kpoxvi. Spyurkahayere arden chen
dzulvi myus azgeri medj vorovhetev khaskanan vor irenc
sepakan Krone ( Armenizme ) aveli ujegh e kan bolorine
myasin vercratz. Vorovhetev khaskanan vor Hay azge
Mardkutyan medj gravum e yurahatuk tegh. Iskapes yurahatuk
vorovhetev menk yerbek kaysrutyun chenk steghtzel chnayatz
karogh eink. Menk yerbek ayl azgeri chenk tjnshel ayl
endhakarake porcel enk zargacnel. ( vraci albanaci )
Vorovhetev khaskanan vor yete menk korenk apa da klini metz
korust aradji hertin Mardkutyan hamar. Dra hamar arden
karevor chi lini Amerikahay kimana hayeren te voch. Na klini
Armenist yev ir yerexanere nuynpes klinen Armenist , yev
nuynisk 100 tari heto yete Hayastane unena irenc karike p
kimana vor uni hzor tikunk Amerikayum, uni hzor tikunk
Yevropayum yev hzor tikunk Rusastanum. Yes nuynisk
patkeracnum em vor ayn hayere voronk arden lutzvel korel ein
kveradarnan irenc akunknerin. Aydpisi orinak menk unenk. Mi
Amerikahay e vore hayeren mi bar el chgiti bayc arde
cankacatz hayalezu hayic el hayrenaser e.

Bayc es bolore der apaga e. Isk hima ka hay Arakelakan
Yekeghecin, Kan hreanere, kan Arevmtyan amen tesak sadrich
ujer. Voronk aradji isk nshani depkum vor zgacin vor aystegh
inch vor sharjer en sksum kporcen xeghdel henc bni medj. Dra
hamar menk der chenk uzum vor ays bane shat taratzvi. U
xndrum enk bolorin shat chtaratzvel ays harceri veraberyal.
Kam gone grel myayn hayeren. Vorpeszi myusnere chhaskanan.

Hima shaterid mot yerevi harc aradjacav ba inch kap uni
ays bolore AStzu havati het. Hatkapes Webmstere mez
meghadrec vor menk Astzun chenk havatum yev uzum enk ayn
ogtagortzel mer npatakneri hamar.

HArgeli hayazg. Astvatz ( aysinkn Orenk ) ni hat e. Yev ayn
amen ur e yev amen inchi medj. Nra hamar bacardzak
nshanakutyun chuni du inchi es havatum Hisusi Buddayi te
chgitem inch Zevsi. Vorovhetev drank Mardkayin fantazya en
yev kap chunen bun Astzu het. Astvatz mez boloris talis e
Azatutyun bayc myayn u myayn ir orenkneri shrdjanaknerum Du
karogh es nuynisk xaxtel nra orenknere. Aysinkn du karogh e
ditavoryal mard spanel, bayc du petk e imanas vor verdji
verdjo du talu es ko patasxane. Astvatz da bacardzak
Ardarutyun e.
Hima hayazg yete menk chdimacank ays kenac u mahu paykarin
menk CHENK unena yev voch mi nerum. Da knshanaki vor
chhaskacank Astzu orenknere yev vorpes patij veracank. Yete
dimanank apa menk kstanank Poxhatucume yev da klnii mer
goyutyan Ardaracume. Yev da klini yete uzum ek mi kich
kronakan yerang tam Astvatzahatjo gortz.

PS. Noric chpatasxaneci te inchu chenk karogh endunel.
Biblyan. Biblyayi medj kan bacahayt keghtzikner yev menk
chenk karogh endunel Keghtzike vorpes Tjshmartutyun. Da
arden Orenki dem e. Yete du tesnum es Sute yev asum es vor
da tjisht e apa du arden katarum es Orenki xaxtum.!!!
Tjshtin petk e tjisht asel. Sxalin sxal. Herik e menk
inkners mez xabenk.
Bun mer gaghaparoxustyane na hakarak e vorovhetev chi
endunum Gitutyune vorpes aydpisin. Gitutyune rden shat aradj
e gnacel yev shat harcerum na arden karoghanum e tal
tjshmartanman patasxanner.
Menk chenk karogh endnunel Biblyan vorovhetev na merjum e
henc mer azgi goyutyune. Mer azgi npataknere. Biblyan
endunum e myayn mi azgi srbutyune. Da hreanern en. Endunelov
Biblyan duk tjanachum ek hreanerin vorpes entryal azg. Yev
heto mi neghacek yerb hreanere mer het verabervum en
arhamarhankov. Nrank iravunk unen mez storacnelu vorovhetev
menk aradjin hertin endunel enk irenc gerishxantuyune.
Menk chenk karogh endunel Biblyan vorovhetev ayntegh asvum
e vor Kristose Astvatz e. Marde chi karogh Astvatz linel
!!!!!! Da keghtzik e. Astvatz mi hat e. Yev yete menk mardun
darcnum enk Astvatz apa uremn menk arhamarum enk Asttzun.
Menk chenk karogh endunel Biblyan vorovhetev ayntegh shat
banner vercratz e Aryakan azgeric yev xeghatyurvatz mez e
nerkayacvum.

PPS. Patmutyan medj hetakrkir naxaxnamutyunner kan. Menk
aradjine endunecink Kristoneutyune , yev yerevi menk
aradjine linenk vor nranic petk e hrajarvenk. Bayc da petk e
lini kamovin. Voch te partadrabar inchpes arec Grigor
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Hangstacir. Ajs topicy voch mi banov chi xaxtum ajs forumi kanonnery.
Forumi kanonner@ karox e chi xaxtum, bayc vor mer Azgayin Hamahaykakan kanonnern e xaxtum da hastat e

Baci ajd shat harcerum, es Monoi het hamadzajn em. Ete sxal es hamarum, xndrem, karox enq qnnarkel privatum.
Ete du Monoi het hamadzayn es da qo problemn e, ayo es anpayman sxal em hamarum u es verev@ nshel em te inch@ vonc
Hay Azg@ misht tujvel e Monoi u nra nman azgadav mtatselakerp unecox mardkanc eresic, voronq el ogtagortsvum en tshnamu koxmic` aranc gitakcelu Te um Dem en durs ekel? Ev hanun inchi?
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Hangstacir. Ajs topicy voch mi banov chi xaxtum ajs forumi kanonnery.
Forumi kanonner@ karox e chi xaxtum, bayc vor mer Azgayin Hamahaykakan kanonnern e xaxtum da hastat e

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Baci ajd shat harcerum, es Monoi het hamadzajn em. Ete sxal es hamarum, xndrem, karox enq qnnarkel privatum.
Ete du Monoyi het hamadzayn es da qo problemn e, ayo es anpayman sxal em hamarum u es verev@ nshel em te inch@ vonc
Hay Azg@ misht tujvel e Monoyi nman Hayadav mtatselakerp unecox mardkanc eresic, voronq uracel en voch miayn irenc kron@ ayl nayev irenc Azgayin arjeqner@
Inchqan heru linenq nman mardkancic aynqan mer u mer Azgi ogutn e...
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Du Njdehin endunum es???

Na amen inch shat parz e asel.

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Old 23.09.2002, 17:43   #14
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Edmon

Du Njdehin endunum es???
Ayo Njdehin el Andranikin, Vardanin el, vor@ Hanun Astsu Havatqi paterazmi elav, u mnacac mer surb zoravarnerin el nuynpes (chtvarkem) @ndunum em anverapahoren.
U qeznic kxndrei Njdehi xosqer@ chaxavaxel chbacatrel vonc vor Ehovayi vkannern en Astvatsashunch@ meknabanum hogut irenc


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Na amen inch shat parz e asel.

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Mek Azg, Mek Kron, Mek Hayastan
Ayo shat parz` Mek Azg (aysinqn mer Hay azg@ miasinakan), Mek kron (aysinqn Hay Araqelakan Ekexecin aranc axandneri u shexumneri), Mek Haysatan (aysinqn mer bolor hoxeri miacum, vorpeszi unenanq mi Haystan, bayc Hzor Hayastan!!!) Hima parz e te Njdeh@ inch e i nkati unecel
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Old 23.09.2002, 18:13   #15
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Cavok srti yes 30 oric gnum em Artasahman. Mi kani amis aystegh chem lini.
Vor qez xndrem ches mna ayd arabakan erkrnerum, indz tvuma qo veradarnal@ el imast chuni Qani vor Hayeci mtatselakerp chunes
Ham el @ndex islam kndunes

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