Фундаментальные ценности, какие они ? - Page 2

Ara · Feb 16, 2005, 13:32

Я предлагаю здесь , до выработки основ Форум-Клуба, обсудить "фундаментальные ценности" кто как их представляет.
Возможно это обсуждение поможет лучше представить структуру самого Форум-Клуба.
Одна просьба к участникам - попытаться обосновать свое видение .

shushanika · Feb 18, 2005, 18:13

A chto- bog ili kto-to grugoy dolzhen tebe govorit& chto chto-to xorosho a chto-to ploxo? So if some religions assume that killing in the name of religion is justified, then it's ok to kill? It really is coming from the inside, that's why they are called fundamental values that still are relative as everything else is in the universe. And one more thing, were you there when god said that this and this is good and something else is bad? How do you know that somehow somewhere on the way the message didn't get distorted?

Just being difficult again.

Mono · Feb 18, 2005, 18:16

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A chto- bog ili kto-to grugoy dolzhen tebe govorit& chto chto-to xorosho a chto-to ploxo? So if some religions assume that killing in the name of religion is justified, then it's ok to kill? It really is coming from the inside,

Respect Shushanika !!!... It must come from the inside

DaNYer · Feb 18, 2005, 18:17

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Originally Posted by shushanika

A chto- bog ili kto-to grugoy dolzhen tebe govorit& chto chto-to xorosho a chto-to ploxo? So if some religions assume that killing in the name of religion is justified, then it's ok to kill? It really is coming from the inside, that's why they are called fundamental values that still are relative as everything else is in the universe. And one more thing, were you there when god said that this and this is good and something else is bad? How do you know that somehow somewhere on the way the message didn't get distorted?

Just being difficult again.

Jesus is not any other religion.

If you take out the name of god and replace it with morality, the world will come to an end. we are already very close to the end as you see.

shushanika · Feb 18, 2005, 18:30

I really won't go into an argument about Jesus and God (although i'm a little confused- you mention the name of Jesus as the name of god? i thought he was the son?). Let me say i will adhere to my right to have my own religious (which might be something other than Christianity, or even maybe my won made?) or non-religious beliefs and ideas. I was merely arguing the point that one does not have to be religious to have strong moral values and ethics, and vice versa- being religious does not necessarily mean having high moral standards. Read the history of catholocism or whatever else, or why not, turn on the news and listen to the next catholic or whatever priest molesting another boy or a girl...

DaNYer · Feb 18, 2005, 18:32

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Originally Posted by shushanika

I really won't go into an argument about Jesus and God (although i'm a little confused- you mention the name of Jesus as the name of god? i thought he was the son?). Let me say i will adhere to my right to have my own religious (which might be something other than Christianity, or even maybe my won made?) or non-religious beliefs and ideas. I was merely arguing the point that one does not have to be religious to have strong moral values and ethics, and vice versa- being religious does not necessarily mean having high moral standards. Read the history of catholocism or whatever else, or why not, turn on the news and listen to the next catholic or whatever priest molesting another boy or a girl...

Go to a priest and ask him to explain anything you do not understand.

shushanika · Feb 18, 2005, 18:34

I do not think i need someone to explain to me what i should or should not believe in, OR what my moral values should or should not be. THAT COMES FROM WITHIN... and from my parents. They are a far greater authorities for me than some priest who may or may not be a pervert on top of everything.

DaNYer · Feb 18, 2005, 18:36

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Originally Posted by shushanika

I do not think i need someone to explain to me what i should or should not believe in, OR what my moral values should or should not be. THAT COMES FROM WITHIN... and from my parents. They are a far greater authorities for me than some priest who may or may not be a pervert on top of everything.

If you know everything, then I do not see why I should waste my time on you. Adios. Join the pagans.

shushanika · Feb 18, 2005, 18:39

I would really truly like to apologize for your wasted time on me. Not that i asked for it, but still.

nm · Feb 18, 2005, 18:39

люди, конечно странный призыв, но тем не менее.
почаще бывайте на похоронах ..... всякая дуь о _фундаментальных ценностях_ резко рассосется. если вы конечно готовы, можете и хотите принимать переживания окружющих людей.

Mono · Feb 18, 2005, 18:41

there are mafiosis who everyday go to the priests
there are priests who everyday go to the prostitutes
and there are prostitutes that didn't make harm to anybody

DaNYer · Feb 18, 2005, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Mono

there are mafiosis who everyday go to the priests
there are priests who everyday go to the prostitutes
and there are prostitutes that didn't make harm to anybody

there are also mafiosis that never go to church and there are priests than never go to prostitutes... + there are people that do not even know that they are mistaken.

you can substitute the word "mistaken" with ANY other word.

Joshua12 · Feb 18, 2005, 18:51

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Originally Posted by shushanika

To Joshua

Is there such a thing as Truth? Let alone love to the truth?
Sorry, I know... too banal a question, but at the same time, sam znayesh

Certainly there is. The truth has many sides. The sides are different and colorful.

shushanika · Feb 18, 2005, 18:55

Or maybe... even if there is one truth, there are different mirrors where this truth is reflected? I still tend to go with everything being relative and that there are no absolutes... other than the earth goes round the sun.

Joshua12 · Feb 18, 2005, 19:20

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Originally Posted by shushanika

Or maybe... even if there is one truth, there are different mirrors where this truth is reflected? I still tend to go with everything being relative and that there are no absolutes... other than the earth goes round the sun.

I think that the statement "the truth is one" is quite wrong and contains no sense and/or productive reason; it is a blunt sophism in my opinion. The truth just has many sides. That is much better approach providing preconditions for flexible reasoning aimed at active study of the world.

Isabella · Feb 18, 2005, 19:28

выбор и свободная воля.

Feb 18, 2005, 18:13	#16
shushanika Дошкольник Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 131 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	A chto- bog ili kto-to grugoy dolzhen tebe govorit& chto chto-to xorosho a chto-to ploxo? So if some religions assume that killing in the name of religion is justified, then it's ok to kill? It really is coming from the inside, that's why they are called fundamental values that still are relative as everything else is in the universe. And one more thing, were you there when god said that this and this is good and something else is bad? How do you know that somehow somewhere on the way the message didn't get distorted? Just being difficult again. __________________ Nika

Feb 18, 2005, 18:30	#19
shushanika Дошкольник Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 131 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	I really won't go into an argument about Jesus and God (although i'm a little confused- you mention the name of Jesus as the name of god? i thought he was the son?). Let me say i will adhere to my right to have my own religious (which might be something other than Christianity, or even maybe my won made?) or non-religious beliefs and ideas. I was merely arguing the point that one does not have to be religious to have strong moral values and ethics, and vice versa- being religious does not necessarily mean having high moral standards. Read the history of catholocism or whatever else, or why not, turn on the news and listen to the next catholic or whatever priest molesting another boy or a girl... __________________ Nika

Feb 18, 2005, 18:34	#21
shushanika Дошкольник Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 131 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	I do not think i need someone to explain to me what i should or should not believe in, OR what my moral values should or should not be. THAT COMES FROM WITHIN... and from my parents. They are a far greater authorities for me than some priest who may or may not be a pervert on top of everything. __________________ Nika

Feb 18, 2005, 18:39	#23
shushanika Дошкольник Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 131 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	I would really truly like to apologize for your wasted time on me. Not that i asked for it, but still. __________________ Nika

Feb 18, 2005, 18:39	#24
nm ЙЦУКЕН Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 0x68,0x69,0x72, 0x69,0x6e,0x67, 0x20,0x6e,0x6f, 0x77 Posts: 3,114 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 10	люди, конечно странный призыв, но тем не менее. почаще бывайте на похоронах ..... всякая дуь о _фундаментальных ценностях_ резко рассосется. если вы конечно готовы, можете и хотите принимать переживания окружющих людей. __________________ -- Опоздавшему поросёнку сиська возле жопы.

Feb 16, 2005, 13:32
Ara Подумаем... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Yerevan Posts: 452 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	Фундаментальные ценности, какие они ? Я предлагаю здесь , до выработки основ Форум-Клуба, обсудить "фундаментальные ценности" кто как их представляет. Возможно это обсуждение поможет лучше представить структуру самого Форум-Клуба. Одна просьба к участникам - попытаться обосновать свое видение .

Feb 18, 2005, 18:41	#25
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,409 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 102	there are mafiosis who everyday go to the priests there are priests who everyday go to the prostitutes and there are prostitutes that didn't make harm to anybody __________________ --------------- *Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր* .

Feb 18, 2005, 18:55	#28
shushanika Дошкольник Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida, United States Posts: 131 Rep Power: 4 Reputation: 10	Or maybe... even if there is one truth, there are different mirrors where this truth is reflected? I still tend to go with everything being relative and that there are no absolutes... other than the earth goes round the sun. __________________ Nika

Feb 18, 2005, 19:28	#30
Isabella Պիոներ պալատի Սիրուշ Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: globe Posts: 2,277 Rep Power: 5 Reputation: 10	выбор и свободная воля. __________________ Есть люди, которые всегда идут в первых рядах; в случае успеха они объявляют себя вождями, в случае поражения - говорят, что их гнали вперед как заложников. (c)

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