Armjano-Azerbajdzhanskie otnoshenija. Kakimi vy ix vidite dal'she? - Page 2

Griffon2-7 · Mar 28, 2002, 20:50

Naskol'ko ja ponimaju uzhe nekotoroe vremja zatragivaetsya (xotya i kosvenno) dannja tema.
Mne by bylo ochen' interesno uslyshat' vashe mnenie po povodu dannogo voprosa.

1. Vozmozhna li "druzha narodov" ili my uzhe navek neprimirimye vragi?

2. Kak predlagaete re****' Karabaxskuju problemu?

Moe mnenie ne budu poka vyskazyvat', podozhdu...

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Predvizhu debaty i nexoroshie slova v moj adres...

Pascal · Mar 29, 2002, 01:12

2Griffon
Menya naprimer nyneshnie otnosheniya ustraivayut. Ya chestno govorya ne vizhu negativnykh storon v kakoy-libo konfliktnoy situacii. Inogda konflikty nado zaglazhivat', inogda - net. Armyano-Azerbayjanskiy konflikt (BTW tak zhe kak i Armyano-Tureckiy) dlya menya prekratit'sya tol'ko posle seryeznykh ustupok protivnoy storony. A poka ustupok net - to i mir mne ne nuzhen. I vse.

Argayl · Mar 29, 2002, 01:14

Pascal,

Пожалуй впервые я согласен с тобой на все 100%.

groul · Mar 29, 2002, 01:22

2 Argayl & Pascal

Pascal · Mar 29, 2002, 01:43

2Argayl
IMHO ty so mnoy soglasilsya v perviy raz chut' poran'she.
Kogda prinyal termin AJAKCOX.

Nu da ladno.
Glavnoe otnositel'niy mir ustanovilsya.

Mono · Mar 29, 2002, 02:22

Pascal mojno ya inogda tebe budu nazivat Brat. To yest v smisle Duxovni Brat.

to ALL

Nakonec to viju chto idyot prosvetlenie naroda. Da narod Karabaxskoy problemi uje netu dlya nas ona yest dlya Azerbaidjana.

A to chto tam eti politiki tolkuyut i peregovrivayutsa eto vse nikomu ne nujnaya yerunda. Da nu chyort s nimi. Pust tolkuyut xot' 100 let.

greka · Mar 29, 2002, 02:33

amen !

Griffon2-7 · Mar 29, 2002, 14:38

Ne schitaju, chto konflikt utryasen... No menja tozhe v principe ustraivaet nyneshnee sostoyanie, za odnim iskljucheniem. NKR dlja Armenii poka chto ogromnaja stat'ja v bjudzhete. Poka Armenia i Azerbajdzhan rasxlebyvajut kashu karabaxcam budet neploxo. Prosto v Azerbajdzhane narastaet volna nedovol'stva nyneshnim sostojaniem konflikta.

to Pascal
Xotelos' by uznat' kakie ustupki s ix storony ty imeesh' v vidu??? U nix i tak zavoevana pochto tret' territorii. Imejut pravo na status "Obizhnik"

groul · Mar 29, 2002, 15:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Griffon2-7:
U nix i tak zavoevana pochto tret' territorii. Imejut pravo na status "Obizhnik"

Vot eshe odin yarkuy primer udachnoj raboty turko-azerskoj propagandy.
Otkroj kartu: prikin' xotya by na glaz, dazhe vmeste s Karabakhom eto 16-17% AzSSR. Eto daleko ne tret'.

A zavtra tvoj posting budet citirovat'sya vsemi azerami: "Armyane sami priznali chto otxvatili tret' Azerbaidjana", xotya v sostav Az. Respubliki Arcax nikogda i ne vxodil!!!

groul · Mar 29, 2002, 15:55

Takzhe kak i cyfra 1 mln bezhencev, kuda "po-oploshnosti" vklyuchili takzhe samix karabakhcev i na kotoryx poluchayut seychas gumanitarnuyu pomosh'...

Mono · Mar 29, 2002, 17:38

Griffon umet schitat inogda ne pomeshaet.

Armenya dayot kajdi god Karabaxu v dolg 12.000.000 dollarov. Kajdi god v Armyanskix El-Cancax razvorovaetsa 40.000.000 dollarov. Mojet sperva kak to re**** problemu El-Canca potom podumat o drugix statyax budjeta.

tret strani eto sostavlyayet 33% -a ya daje ot Azera takoy cifri nikogda ne slishal.

Stinger · Mar 29, 2002, 18:15

Armyano-Azerskie Otnosheniya -> KILL 'EM, KILL 'EM ALL!!!

Stinger · Mar 29, 2002, 18:16

Armyano-Azerskie Otnosheniya -> KILL 'EM, KILL 'EM ALL!!!

Pascal · Mar 29, 2002, 19:09

2Griffon
Nu i pust' sidyat obizhnikami. U proigravshikh net prav. I mne pover' sovsem neinteresno skol'ko territorii oni poteryali. Pust' raduyutsya, chto ne poteryali bol'she.

Griffon2-7 · Mar 29, 2002, 20:27

to Groul

Vozmozhno i menja ne ochen' xorosho s glazomerom ili zhe ja zhertva agitacii. No ja rad, chto moe mnenie mozhet byt' priznano "mneniem armyan". Pol'shen...

V sostav Az. Respubliki Arcax nikogda ne vxodil, s etim ja soglasen, poskol'ku konflikt nachlasya do dnya nezavisimosti AR. (kak kstati i Armenii). No k etomu momentu NKAO naxodilas' na territorii Azerbajdzhanskoj SSR i prinadlezhala ej zhe. Nadejus', chto eto ne vyzyvaet u vas prerekanij?

To Pascal
Soglasen Rub jan, pobeditelej ne sudyat... Prosto davno ne videl takix bespomoshnyx pobeditelej. K sozhaleniju sami my nichego ne mozhem poka dobit'sja nashej pobedoj. Xrenova (geo)politika... Sejchas opyat' amerikancev rugat' nachnu...

to Mono

Davay ne sravnivat' podobnye parametry.
Argumenty:
1. Electoset' - eto sobstvennost' Armenii, i ona sama vinovata, chto ix teryaet.
2. Na 100% uveren, chto iz etix 12.000.000$ krupnaja summa razvorovyvaetsya i eshe v Armenii i uzhe v Arcaxe- eto "vxodit" v armjanskij mentalitet.
3. Daj bog, chtoby prishlo vremja, kogda Arcax smozhet pogasit' etot "dolg" ja iskrenne za eto boleju kak i za priznanie Arcaxskoj nezavisimosti.

Byl ja v NKR. I po rodu svoej dejatel'nosti imel nekotoroe otnoshenie k vysshim krugam. Pochto tak zhe ploxo kak i v Armenii, no vse-taki dolzhen priznat' - poluchshe.

Mono · Mar 29, 2002, 20:41

Groul dumayu ti ne prav eto ne sledstvie Azerskoy propagandi tut rabotali lyudi pokruche, tipa Tumanyana.

Znachit to chto 40.000.000 propadaet v Armenii eto tebya menshe volnuyet chem 12.000.000 opyat je v Armenii. Interesnaya Logika.

Yedinstvenni vivod kotori ya delayu iz tvoyix slov eto to chto Karabaxci eto ne Armyane, mojet ti bi pryamo eto skazal.

Mar 29, 2002, 01:12	#16
Pascal Главный Лысый Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: AM Posts: 2,829 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 38	2Griffon Menya naprimer nyneshnie otnosheniya ustraivayut. Ya chestno govorya ne vizhu negativnykh storon v kakoy-libo konfliktnoy situacii. Inogda konflikty nado zaglazhivat', inogda - net. Armyano-Azerbayjanskiy konflikt (BTW tak zhe kak i Armyano-Tureckiy) dlya menya prekratit'sya tol'ko posle seryeznykh ustupok protivnoy storony. A poka ustupok net - to i mir mne ne nuzhen. I vse. __________________ Ruben Muradyan Technical Director PanARMENIAN Network: Armenian News ---------------------------------------------------- Лысина - это полянка, вытоптанная мыслями. ----------------------------------------------------

Mar 29, 2002, 01:14	#17
Argayl Дошкольник Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arcax Posts: 128 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 10	Pascal, Пожалуй впервые я согласен с тобой на все 100%. __________________ Argayl, ajakcogh

Mar 29, 2002, 01:22	#18
groul Профессор Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York, USA Posts: 2,940 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 10	2 Argayl & Pascal __________________ Karen Vrtanesyan, աջակցող ArmenianHouse.org - Armenian Library and Forum. Literary Cafe - Young Armenian writers and poets

Mar 29, 2002, 01:43	#19
Pascal Главный Лысый Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: AM Posts: 2,829 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 38	2Argayl IMHO ty so mnoy soglasilsya v perviy raz chut' poran'she. Kogda prinyal termin AJAKCOX. Nu da ladno. Glavnoe otnositel'niy mir ustanovilsya. __________________ Ruben Muradyan Technical Director PanARMENIAN Network: Armenian News ---------------------------------------------------- Лысина - это полянка, вытоптанная мыслями. ----------------------------------------------------

Mar 29, 2002, 02:22	#20
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,390 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 93	Pascal mojno ya inogda tebe budu nazivat Brat. To yest v smisle Duxovni Brat. to ALL Nakonec to viju chto idyot prosvetlenie naroda. Da narod Karabaxskoy problemi uje netu dlya nas ona yest dlya Azerbaidjana. A to chto tam eti politiki tolkuyut i peregovrivayutsa eto vse nikomu ne nujnaya yerunda. Da nu chyort s nimi. Pust tolkuyut xot' 100 let. __________________ --------------- *Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր* .

Mar 28, 2002, 20:50
Griffon2-7 hex god Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 19	Armjano-Azerbajdzhanskie otnoshenija. Kakimi vy ix vidite dal'she? Naskol'ko ja ponimaju uzhe nekotoroe vremja zatragivaetsya (xotya i kosvenno) dannja tema. Mne by bylo ochen' interesno uslyshat' vashe mnenie po povodu dannogo voprosa. 1. Vozmozhna li "druzha narodov" ili my uzhe navek neprimirimye vragi? 2. Kak predlagaete re****' Karabaxskuju problemu? Moe mnenie ne budu poka vyskazyvat', podozhdu... --------------------- Predvizhu debaty i nexoroshie slova v moj adres... __________________ Ленинградское время 0 часов 0 минут

Mar 29, 2002, 02:33	#21
greka Administrator Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: @work Posts: 5,337 Rep Power: 10 Reputation: 23	amen ! __________________ И повешенные могут качаться в неположенную сторону. /С.Е.Лец/

Mar 29, 2002, 14:38	#22
Griffon2-7 hex god Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 19	Ne schitaju, chto konflikt utryasen... No menja tozhe v principe ustraivaet nyneshnee sostoyanie, za odnim iskljucheniem. NKR dlja Armenii poka chto ogromnaja stat'ja v bjudzhete. Poka Armenia i Azerbajdzhan rasxlebyvajut kashu karabaxcam budet neploxo. Prosto v Azerbajdzhane narastaet volna nedovol'stva nyneshnim sostojaniem konflikta. to Pascal Xotelos' by uznat' kakie ustupki s ix storony ty imeesh' v vidu??? U nix i tak zavoevana pochto tret' territorii. Imejut pravo na status "Obizhnik" __________________ Ленинградское время 0 часов 0 минут

Mar 29, 2002, 15:55	#24
groul Профессор Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York, USA Posts: 2,940 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 10	Takzhe kak i cyfra 1 mln bezhencev, kuda "po-oploshnosti" vklyuchili takzhe samix karabakhcev i na kotoryx poluchayut seychas gumanitarnuyu pomosh'... __________________ Karen Vrtanesyan, աջակցող ArmenianHouse.org - Armenian Library and Forum. Literary Cafe - Young Armenian writers and poets

Mar 29, 2002, 17:38	#25
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,390 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 93	Griffon umet schitat inogda ne pomeshaet. Armenya dayot kajdi god Karabaxu v dolg 12.000.000 dollarov. Kajdi god v Armyanskix El-Cancax razvorovaetsa 40.000.000 dollarov. Mojet sperva kak to re** problemu El-Canca potom podumat o drugix statyax budjeta. tret strani eto sostavlyayet 33% -a ya daje ot Azera takoy cifri nikogda ne slishal. __________________ --------------- Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր** .

Mar 29, 2002, 18:15	#26
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 533 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 22	Armyano-Azerskie Otnosheniya -> KILL 'EM, KILL 'EM ALL!!! __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Mar 29, 2002, 18:16	#27
Stinger Nothin' 2 say Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Yerevan, Armenia Posts: 533 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 22	Armyano-Azerskie Otnosheniya -> KILL 'EM, KILL 'EM ALL!!! __________________ ----------------------------------- Искренне Ваш : Armen "Stinger" Gasparian ----------------------------------- DIXI -----------------------------------

Mar 29, 2002, 19:09	#28
Pascal Главный Лысый Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: AM Posts: 2,829 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 38	2Griffon Nu i pust' sidyat obizhnikami. U proigravshikh net prav. I mne pover' sovsem neinteresno skol'ko territorii oni poteryali. Pust' raduyutsya, chto ne poteryali bol'she. __________________ Ruben Muradyan Technical Director PanARMENIAN Network: Armenian News ---------------------------------------------------- Лысина - это полянка, вытоптанная мыслями. ----------------------------------------------------

Mar 29, 2002, 20:27	#29
Griffon2-7 hex god Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 7 Reputation: 19	to Groul Vozmozhno i menja ne ochen' xorosho s glazomerom ili zhe ja zhertva agitacii. No ja rad, chto moe mnenie mozhet byt' priznano "mneniem armyan". Pol'shen... V sostav Az. Respubliki Arcax nikogda ne vxodil, s etim ja soglasen, poskol'ku konflikt nachlasya do dnya nezavisimosti AR. (kak kstati i Armenii). No k etomu momentu NKAO naxodilas' na territorii Azerbajdzhanskoj SSR i prinadlezhala ej zhe. Nadejus', chto eto ne vyzyvaet u vas prerekanij? To Pascal Soglasen Rub jan, pobeditelej ne sudyat... Prosto davno ne videl takix bespomoshnyx pobeditelej. K sozhaleniju sami my nichego ne mozhem poka dobit'sja nashej pobedoj. Xrenova (geo)politika... Sejchas opyat' amerikancev rugat' nachnu... to Mono Davay ne sravnivat' podobnye parametry. Argumenty: 1. Electoset' - eto sobstvennost' Armenii, i ona sama vinovata, chto ix teryaet. 2. Na 100% uveren, chto iz etix 12.000.000$ krupnaja summa razvorovyvaetsya i eshe v Armenii i uzhe v Arcaxe- eto "vxodit" v armjanskij mentalitet. 3. Daj bog, chtoby prishlo vremja, kogda Arcax smozhet pogasit' etot "dolg" ja iskrenne za eto boleju kak i za priznanie Arcaxskoj nezavisimosti. Byl ja v NKR. I po rodu svoej dejatel'nosti imel nekotoroe otnoshenie k vysshim krugam. Pochto tak zhe ploxo kak i v Armenii, no vse-taki dolzhen priznat' - poluchshe. __________________ Ленинградское время 0 часов 0 минут

Mar 29, 2002, 20:41	#30
Mono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Yerevan Posts: 5,390 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 Reputation: 93	Groul dumayu ti ne prav eto ne sledstvie Azerskoy propagandi tut rabotali lyudi pokruche, tipa Tumanyana. Znachit to chto 40.000.000 propadaet v Armenii eto tebya menshe volnuyet chem 12.000.000 opyat je v Armenii. Interesnaya Logika. Yedinstvenni vivod kotori ya delayu iz tvoyix slov eto to chto Karabaxci eto ne Armyane, mojet ti bi pryamo eto skazal. __________________ --------------- *Արատտայի ու Խալդեյի հովանավոր* .

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