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Old Sep 3, 2002, 15:52   #1
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Question Уступки.

Урегулирование конфликта мирным путём возможно только при уступках с обеех сторон, а на какие уступки готовы идти Азербаджанцы, чтоб урегулировать конфликт мирным путём?
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Old Sep 3, 2002, 17:57   #2
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esli s4itat' 4to pravitel'stvo i v principe vse te kotorix ya znayu soglasni s tem 4tob otdat' vsyu zavaevanuyu teritoriyu krome samogo Arcaxa i la4inskogo koridora.. to ya li4no s uverenostyu utverjdayu 4to Armyane gotovi idti na ustupki.. kak v lice naroda tak i pravitel'stvo

Ktoto ne soglasen s etim..?!

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Old Sep 3, 2002, 18:54   #3
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Privet vsem!

Azerbadzanci ustupyat to, chto mi i tak imeem, to chto otnyali eschye pri CCCP,schitayut
svoim i eschye potrebuyut to, chto im ochen` nedastayet, a vkonechnom itoge pod shirmoy "ustupki s obeix storon",popitautsya dobit`sya odnostoronnoy ustupki.
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Мне кажется, что правильно то, что написал в другом топике Bizon.

Рано или поздно обе стороны "самостоятельно" согласятся с условиями, которые предложит кто-то третьий. Если третьему будет надо, то он поступит как Карлеоне - сделает предложение, от которого мы не сможем отказаться. Ну а на сегодняшний день этого третьего устраивает нынешнее положение дел, то бишь зыбкий мир.

Если бы все зависело только от Армении и Азербайджана, то мирное решение уже было бы найдено и притворено в жизнь.
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Old Sep 4, 2002, 00:23   #5
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Quote:
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Урегулирование конфликта мирным путём возможно только при уступках с обеех сторон, а на какие уступки готовы идти Азербаджанцы, чтоб урегулировать конфликт мирным путём?
Tak..
vsem kto za korektnost' voprosa..
ni o kakom pravitel'stve ni o kakom narode v celom re4i ne idet..
vopros 4isto individual'nij..

esli xotite ya poprobuyu ego sformulirovat' neskol'ko ina4e..:

Dlya togo 4tobi lyuboj konflikt bil bi uregulirovan nujno pojti na kakieto ustupki, tak kak lyuboj konflikt zatragivaet 4'ito vzaimnie interesi (ob'ektivnie, sub'ektivnie.. opravdanie ili daje pust' absurdnie). V svyazi s etim mojno utverjdat' 4to (pri uslovii vzaimnogo jelaniya uregulirovaniya konflikta mirnim putem) doljni bit' kakieto obayudnie ustupki dlya razresheniya voprosa.
Otsyudo vopros:
Kak vi LI4NO videte urigulirovanie nashego konflikta v plane ustupok
4to vi LI4NO s4itaete priemlemim ustupit' a 4to kotegori4eski ne priemlite..
I estestveno xotelos' bi uslishat' mnenie opanentov
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Originally posted by owl:
Privet vsem!

Azerbadzanci ustupyat to, chto mi i tak imeem, to chto otnyali eschye pri CCCP,schitayut
svoim i eschye potrebuyut to, chto im ochen` nedastayet, a vkonechnom itoge pod shirmoy "ustupki s obeix storon",popitautsya dobit`sya odnostoronnoy ustupki.
s etim ne sporyu..
i eto skoree vsego logi4no ved' v dejstvitel'nosti (esli mne ne izmenyaet pamyat' ) pod nashim kontrolem naxoditca 16% teritorii Azerbadjana u4itivaya i Arcax toje.

ya li4no s4itayu lagi4nim ustupku s ix storoni v vide otkaza ot vsyakix teritorial'nix pritenzij na Arcax i priznanie ego kak suverenoe gosudastvo vzamen na vse ostal'nie teritorii katorie ne vxodyat v Arcax no fakti4eski naxodyatca pod "yurisdikciej" armyan

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Ya bi li4no ostavil bi eshe teritoriyu mejdu Zangezurom i Arcaxom (ne pomnyu kak ona prosto nazivaetca) tak kak i ona doljna bila nam prenadlejat' soglasno predvaritel'nomu variantu dogovora s Turciej (esli ya oshibayus' mojete popravit' eto moi danie, dokumental'nix potverjdenij privesti shas ne mogu)
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Ya dumayu *nikakie* ustupki na segodnyashnij den' ne vygodny Armenii.

A tak nazyvaemye "zaxvachennye territorii" sluzhat buffernoj zonoj bezopasnosti dlya Artsakha.

V sluchaye otkaza ot etix zone, nachnetsya novaya vojna, pri etom idti ona budet na nashej territorii.

Yarkij primer - kogda Izrael vyvel svoi voyska iz Yuzhnogo Livana, to territoria byla srazu protivnikom, i obstrelivatsya stala territoria samogo Izraela.

Edinstvennoe chto mozhet predlozhit' Turcia (a ne Azerbaidjan), eto snyat' blokadu, no ya uveren, chto nichto ej ne pomeshaet etu blokadu nachat' vnov kak tolko buffernye territorii budut otdany. Krome togo, dumayu, chto problemy s nashej armyanskoj tamozhnej sozdayut namnogo bolshe pomex dlya businessa pri gruzoperevozkax, chem eta blokada.

Samoe vazhnoe eto pomnit': garantiya dannaya turkami ili lyubym drugim gosudarstvom stoit ne bol'she chem bumaga na kotoroj on napisana.
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-"... teritorii Azerbadjana u4itivaya i Arcax toje."

V topike "Mir mejdu nami , kak eto sdelat ?? (Page 1)" ya uje izlojil yuridicheskie obosnovanie, togo chto Arcax ne yavlaetsya ni chyey bi nebilo teritoriey. Mojet bit` neponyaten yuridicheskiy termin "pravopriemnik"? (yuridicheskiy subyek, beruchiy na sebya i vse prava (pravo na teritorii toje), i vse obyazatelstva drugogo yuridicheskogo subyekta, toest` dorevolyucionnogo Azerbadzana). Mogu privesti i yuridicheskie obosnovaniya, dayushchie Arcaxu polnoe pravo na status nezavisimogo gosudarstva, no po moemu mi vse i tak vilojili bol`she informaciy, chem doljni bili sebe pozvolit` v dannoy situacii !!!
Jal`, chto nashi deystviya neskordinirovani.
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dorevolyucionnogo Azerbadzana

chto eta za novaya strana takaya?
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