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Old 16.05.2002, 15:37   #16
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guys, you're talking about relation between practice and theory in our everyday life..

and all of you right, on my opinion.
You're inventing Newton's law, Rust, and at the same time you're actually using the knowledge of predecessors in your professional field ('cose you're not writing the chat programm using Assembler, for example, or not inventing the sorting or some other kind of algorithms, etc.)

There is a barely noticeable division (in the context of meaningfulness) which relates to the Open-source development.

If you're working in a small town with a few IT-companies then sharing your source-codes will (may) be harmful for your professional future (if you're linking it with that town only).


Why just "may be", not "will be" - because it may be harmful if you'll stop improving yourself on everyday basis.


(real-life example for you: I know a lot of Soviet-time "programmers" that vociferates that they are great programers, but all they can do till this time remains the same Intel's Assembler)

On the other hand, you simply can not invent everithing from zero, otherwise you'll spend a few monthes on the mathematical proove of the hashing mechanizm, for examples (if you have not math appropriate background).

And you HAVE TO USE the knowledge of others.

Guys, you just have to decide how much knowledge is acceptable as a "desirable minimum" for starting development of programms
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Old 16.05.2002, 20:06   #17
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Dear programers, the question is to make an association for programmers to promote programming in our country, not for business, we'll do it volunteerly. We need volunteers who wants to do it for Armenia, it doesn't matter, we write open source programs or no, the aim is quackly develop IT's and other spheres in Armenia by writing good and useful programs for different spheres, for instance economocal, engineering and other programs. The aim is also to make available this programs for all Armenians, who will need that.
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Old 17.05.2002, 01:09   #18
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OK, in that case I agree... Only if the programs that are gonna be written will NOT be opensource.

2 Greco El::
And, in your opinion, is Yerevan a small town, or no?
Indeed you have to develop your knowledge every day, every second, every INSTANT, but damn why give them a chance to reach you?? I don't write chats on ASM, yes, but:
1. I CAN write them on ASM.
2. I PAY for the manuals and tools that I use during the creation of my chat. I pay for OS, I pay for computer, I pay for IIS, for IIS's manual, I pay for ASPEdit, can you understand?? They SELL it. They have INCOME, why shall I GIVE THE SOURCES OF MY CHAT FOR FREE????

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I think I'm right.
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Old 17.05.2002, 03:20   #19
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Rust, you can't write a chat on ASSEMBLER.

Just because it's a time-wasting work.
Even if you know the Intel's Assembler language, you also have to know protocols, network hardware, etc.
Or you're talking about chat's User Interface written on assembler ? That's not a "chat-written-on-Assembler" itself, isn't it ?

Do not be so "theoretical", I'm speaking about real life.

And about your payments...
Are you completely satisfied with the salary (or to be more correct: satisfied with your earnings) ?
I mean do you think that you're earning appropriate money for the job you're doing right now ?(I'm supposing that you're earning some money at this moment with programming)

If YES, then:
the open-source project is a some kind of hobby and you, as a man satisfied with your current (financial, intim, etc. ) state may (but not MUST) spend some time for just IDEA

if NOT, then:
why you're doing something NOT appropriate to your requirements (i'm talking about your job)?
If you really know that the software you're writing will be SOLD for MUCH MORE money that you're receiving (in terms of salary), then that means that you're doing an "open-source" project

"chut'-chut' ne schitaetsa" )
tipa "chut'-chut' deneg" )

Man, in any case the open-source is an IDEA, and as ANY idea it requires a BELEIVE.
A beleive that you're spending your life not only for your own money, but for fun, too.
May be for further fame, for simple respect by your colleagues, etc, etc, etc.

And NOBODY can proove a beleive
As NOBODY can prove an inanity of a beleive
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You talked about this subject so much, and suddenly forgot 'bout it?
You can't do any real job, when you don't want to spend your time (and, maybe, money) for it.
1. When you think that any biz is too expansive for you (i mean your time) - forget it.
2. When you decide to start any job by creating a website - forget it.
3. When you start anything with thinking how it would be called - forget it.

This is my way of thinking.
I've seen a lot of good ideas here. Greco El (respect), Rust, and all of you said many interesting things. But the problem is not the open-source programming or time wasting. The problem is in conception. The problem (and i think, the main problem) is ORGANISATION.
I don't wanna say "ok, guys. if anyone decide to start this, i agree. call me then.".
And i don't wanna tell, that i can start it myself.

My point of view is the following: we all have to meet together somewhere (in real) and discuss this subject. That's the only way. IMHO.
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Old 24.05.2002, 05:33   #21
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2 Amph

Shat chisht es asum .
prosto es eli em asel vor nman ban chgitem vonc a kazmakerpvum, bayc ete mek@ @lni vor ira vra vercni et skzbi paher@, hetagayum amen inch ira hunov kgna, prosto petka a sksel!

mek el website-@ nra hamar kara carayi, vor irar het tenc shpvenk, voch te forumum, kam da kara @lni email-ov.
Real handipum@ partadir a, bayc asenk es vor Vanadzoric em, chem kara amen shabat gam Yerevan, u stipvac email-i kam WebSite-i gaghaparn a araj galis.

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Old 25.05.2002, 02:32   #22
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Hargeli programistner, es karajarkem mi site patrastenq, wor cankacoxner@ karoxanan grancvel ajntex, heto grancumic het nor kareli a havaqner kazmakerpel u mshtakan kapi mej klinenq arden irar het. Ete karox eq dzer arajarkner@ xndrum em nerkajacreq, site patrastelu hamar, wori mej karox eq cgi, perl, php ogtagorcel, txerq@ arden apache -i server en gcel http://217.113.14.113 compi mej, menq karanq et patrastvac site@ et compi mej gcenq, ete hamadzajn eq u ete site-eri arajarkner linen, indz xndrum em texjak paheq.
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Old 25.05.2002, 06:46   #23
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idznic el DNS poddrejkan.. *.wizard.am zonaum, (tipa community.wizard.am).
plus es karam ayd WEB tsragir@ grem.
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Zhoxovurd karox em dzer associaciaji hamar mi xndir arajarkel?

Greq mi hat keyboard driver vor Win9x-i tak Unicodov hajeren lini grel...
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Old 25.05.2002, 14:35   #25
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Apres VX jan.
Verjapes mek@ mi irakan gorts kani ajd uxxutyamb, es u erevi bolor programistnern el urax klinen dra hamar, cankali kliner wor bolor@ mi arajarkutyun anein site-i veraberjal, inch maseric a kazmvats linelu u inch tvjalner piti lracven programistneri koxmic?
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Barev joxovurd chishta es programist chem, bayc es el karox em dzez ognel ete duq cankanum eq, vor iskakan granceq ayd hasarakakan kazmakerputyun@. Es karox em kanonadrutyun grel dra hamar vorpeszi duq karoxanaq orinakan dzevi grancvel Ardaradatutyan Naxararutyunum, bayc duq petq e indz aseq ayd HK i npatakner@ mnacats@ es kanem.
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Edmon shat urax em qo arajarkutyan hamar, es el ei da mtacel, wor grancenq ardaradatutyan naxararutyunum, bajc lav klini wor naxoroq ajd gorts@ handzn arnox mardik gtnenq, heto nor dra masin mtacenq, qani wor grancman het kapvac problemner kan, shat kuzei wor es el linei himnadir joxovi cucakum, bajc arden paveska em stacel, hunisin gnalu em banak. Es karox em dzez miajn ognel ajd site-i hamar server tramadrelov, naev tsragravorman het kapvac harcerum.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by strax.:
[QB]2 Amph

->bayc ete mek@ @lni vor ira vra vercni et skzbi paher@, hetagayum amen inch ira hunov kgna, prosto petka a sksel!<-

indz tvum a menq arayshms patrast chenq ayd amen@ anenq miaynak..ev menak forum um qnnarkum@ heriq chi...

http://www.uite.am

UITE n arajarkec aydpisi ban olympiada i shamanak..
mejberum -> Duq karogh eq ashkhatel mer UMBRELLA i tak -< mejberman avart...

sa UITE naxagahi barern en...

kareli e hamagorcakcel..do u thing so ?
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