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Old 15.09.2002, 16:10   #31
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A tem, kto za smertnuyu kazn` mozhno lish otvetit` slovami podobnymi slovam Xrista: vy by sami vzyalis` kaznit` tex samyx prestupnikov, kotorye sovershili strashnye, beschelovechnye prestupleniya ?
Da, i daje ne vzdrognul b@. A chto kasaetsa togo chto [email protected] oshibki, ya konechno ponimau chto eto strashno (ne dai bog sluchitsa eto s kem to) no stanovlenie gosudarstva trebuet jertv, i esli daje takie stran@ kak Shvecia, Dania, ... mogut eto sebe pozvolit', m@ nikak ne mojem etogo sebe pozvolit'.
Posmotrite chto tvoritsa v Anglii, odna iz perv2x stran kotoraya uprazdnila smertnuu kazn', a posle sluchaya s det'mi bol'she polovin@ trebuut vosstanovleniya smertnoi kazni.

I escho to Wizard:
A t@ predstav'(ne dai bog konechno) chto na tvoix glazax kakoi to chelovek nasiloval tvoix [email protected] a potom ochen' medlenno much i naslajdayas' ubival b@ ix. Na sleduuschii den' t@ B2 vzyal topor chtob otrubit' emu golovu?
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Old 16.09.2002, 08:11   #32
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2 SNOOP-DOGG:

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Na sleduuschii den' t@ B2 vzyal topor chtob otrubit' emu golovu?
Не надо путать месть с наказание. Естественная реакцию любого человека - убить того, кто причинил горе его семье или близким. Но если следовать подобной логике, то надо узаконить вендетту и суд линча. В отличии от диких племен цивилизованное общество не мстит преступнику, а наказывает его. Эмоции тут ни при чем.

А наличие смертной казни в качестве уголовного наказания, как показывает статистика, существено не влияет на уровень преступности - всякий преступник, совершая преступление, надеется чтоего не поймают. Еще раз, хороший пример -США.
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Old 16.09.2002, 13:07   #33
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I escho to Wizard:
A t@ predstav'(ne dai bog konechno) chto na tvoix glazax kakoi to chelovek nasiloval tvoix [email protected] a potom ochen' medlenno much i naslajdayas' ubival b@ ix. Na sleduuschii den' t@ B2 vzyal topor chtob otrubit' emu golovu?
Eto slozhniy vopros. Pod moment teryaesh kontrol` i ne to, chtobi cheloveka, ves` mir vzorvat` gotov. Net, ne vzyal by, ya dumayu. Esli vozmozhno - postupil by s nim, kak postupali chechenci s plennymi: pristavil by k visku pistolet s xolostim patronom i vistrelil by. Pochmeu ? Ne potomu, chto ya sadist. Tot kto raz xotya by simvolicheshki proshel cherez smert` - uzhe drugoy chelovek. Nedarom v drevnem Shaoline poslednee ispitanie bylo - proxod cherez koridor smerti.
No mi otvleklis` ot temi. Ne nado potakat` krovozhadnim instinktam, a to komu-to ved` pokazhetsya, chto i prostoy smerti malo, nado szhech` zhiv'em ili razrezat` na kusochki. darrel bezuslovno prav: mi staraemsya otlichat`sya ot svoix dikix sorodichey, tak chto "oko za oko, zub za glaz" - eto ne dlya lyudey, IMHO.
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I eshe: kak vi dumaete, nalichie smertnoy kazni ostanovilo by cheloveka, kotoriy rasstrelyal etix detey ? Ya chto-to ochen` somnevayus`, chto podobniy psixopat sposoben o chem-to dumat` v etot moment. A kazn` etogo cheloveka voskresila by detey ? Razumeetsya, net. Tak kakov zhe smisel etoy kazni ?
Odna iz glavneyshix zapovedey xristianstva - umenit` proshat`. A mi schitaya sebya xristanami proshat` ne umeem.
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Es dem em mahatapjin!!!

darrel & W_z_rd > Hamadzayn em dzez het !
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Так как наша законодательная система далека от совершенности и полностью корумпирована ....так что если вы убьете по ошибке человека который потом окажется невиновным.........тогда как же поступить....убить вас?
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I eshe: kak vi dumaete, nalichie smertnoy kazni ostanovilo by cheloveka, kotoriy rasstrelyal etix detey ? Ya chto-to ochen` somnevayus`, chto podobniy psixopat sposoben o chem-to dumat` v etot moment. A kazn` etogo cheloveka voskresila by detey ? Razumeetsya, net. Tak kakov zhe smisel etoy kazni ?
Odna iz glavneyshix zapovedey xristianstva - umenit` proshat`. A mi schitaya sebya xristanami proshat` ne umeem.
Ay es qo grats bolor baner@ arden tariner e, vor amboxj ashxarhum vichakagrutyun@ apacucum e, bayc vorosh mardiq eli irencn en pndum (hamadzayn em da iranc iravunqn e ev subyektiv kartsiq@), bayc kareli e mi qich achqer@ layn bacel u tesnel vor mer asatsi mej shat chisht u apacucvats baner kan
andzamb es pasterov em xosum` nuyn@ im kartsiqov darrel@, W_z_rd@, u bolor nranq ovqer mer het hamakartsiq en
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убить вас?
Leila jan rech' ne shla ob prosto ubiistve

P.S. Frankenshtein@ vontsa, eli tanjuma ?
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To Darrel and Wizard
A kakaya raznica mejdu mest'u i nakazaniem? On ne sdelal domashnee zadanee i mamochka ego [email protected]!!!! Esche chego!! Luboe nakazanie v pervuu ochered' mest', ne [email protected] a obshestva. Vendetta deistvuet i bez zakona, uzakonyat ego ili net, as s sudom lincha ne viju nikakoi svyazi, po moemu nichego rassistskogo tut netu.
Civilizovannoe obshestvo??? a kto skazal chto m@ civilizovannoe obshestvo? Chelovek kak [email protected] tak i ostalsa [email protected] Privedu primer, kogda tebya kusaet komar chto t@ delaesh? Beresh ego za lapu i pomeschaesh v banku a potom [email protected] den' escho i kormish ego. Dumau chto net, prosto ubivaesh i daje [email protected] chto ubil jivoe suschestvo!!! A kakaya raznica mejdu komarom i ubiicei vse m@ [email protected] I tut nikakix emocii net. est'prostoi instikt samosoxraneniya i vse.
Teper' naschet statistiki: a ya i ne govoru chto eto snizit, ya govoru chto takoi chelovek ne imeet pravo jit, a to chto ne ya i ne obshestvo dali etu jizn' emu chtob etu jizn' zbirat' to on toje ne daval ego tamu kogo uje net a vzyal ego ili daje iX, a esli kto to [email protected] za ramki chego to, to ne imeet prava trebovat' chtob po otnosheniu k nemu ne [email protected]
Rasskaju istoriu. v proshlom godu vo vremya Vardevora v marshrutke exali muj i jena i vezli 1 mesyachnogo rebyonka k doktoru(rebyonku [email protected] ochen' ploxo), deti otkrili dver', paren' poprosil ne delat' nichego no odin oblil jenu i rebyonka vedrom vod@, tut on ne sderjalsa [email protected] i vzyal mal'chika i udaril golovoi ob marshruku..... Mal'chik ot etogo umer...... Imel li on pravo eto delat? Prmite vo vnimamie chto ego rebyonok mog ot vod@ umeret'.
Da ya mojet i kajus' [email protected] no ya opyat' je govoru v Armenii tak je kak i v luboi ne razvitoi strane ne vozvojno postroit' zdorovoe obshestvo ne [email protected] s kornyami vse sornyaki.
Xristianstvo? Ya xrestyanin v tom [email protected] chto ya armenin i ni za chto svou veru ne izmenu, a vo vsem ostal'nom ya veru tol'ko v [email protected] silu a ne v cerkov', bibliu ili nashix terterov. prosto prochitaete Emina pro ego pervoe putishestvie po zapadnoi Armenii i vam zaxochetsa chtob takoi cerkvi v Armenii voobshe ne [email protected]
Wizard t@ molodec esli smog b@ tak postupit'. Ya uvajau umenie proschat', no dumau chto na eto(proschat') mojet imet pravo individum a ne obshestvo.
sam ya mogu chto to prostit tol'ko ochen' blizkix ludei a vozmezdie ne ostavlyau bogu, a staraus' sam ego sovershat', naskol'ko eto vozmojno.
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Cankacac mardu kartsiq ays hartserum subyektiva, u yes khamarem inch vor meki kartsiq@ obyektiv erb vor iran motik mardu het da kpatahi u inq@ kasi vochinch bana egela, togh mi tas tari nsti, im pogerov apri heto helni, erevi dzvats klini.
Isk achqer@ mardu mot amenalayn@ bacvum en cavits.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SNOOP-DOGG:
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Leila jan rech' ne shla ob prosto ubiistve

P.S. Frankenshtein@ vontsa, eli tanjuma ? [/QB]
да но если судья осудил за убийсво невиновного -это тоже самое убийство...........так как же наказать судью- тоже осудить на смерть?

P.S ha tanjuma
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да но если судья осудил за убийсво невиновного -это тоже самое убийство...........так как же наказать судью- тоже осудить на смерть?
Zachem? Ne vse sluchai ubiistva doljn@ [email protected]' nakazuemi smert'u. V sluchae [email protected] prevodish t@ eto ne prednamerennoe ubiistvo, chto - to vrode ya chinil [email protected], molotok upal a tam kto to proxodil ne smotrya na znak i molotok upal na ego golovu. Za chto tut sudit'?
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Civilizovannoe obshestvo??? a kto skazal chto m@ civilizovannoe obshestvo? Chelovek kak [email protected] tak i ostalsa [email protected]
Aysinqn du voch mi banov ches tarbervum afrikayum aprox vayri cexeric
Ete du gtnum es, vor du voch mi banov ches tarbervum vayrenineric da qo xndirn e, bayc mer vzin mi patatai da vorovhetev i tarberutyun qez es indz bardzr em dasum apachineric kam nmanatip cexeric.

Privedu primer, kogda tebya kusaet komar chto t@ delaesh? Beresh ego za lapu i pomeschaesh v banku a potom [email protected] den' escho i kormish ego. Dumau chto net, prosto ubivaesh i daje [email protected] chto ubil jivoe suschestvo!!! A kakaya raznica mejdu komarom i ubiicei vse m@ [email protected] I tut nikakix emocii net. est'prostoi instikt samosoxraneniya i vse..

Ays orinak@ hech kap chuni qnnarkvox harci het` manavand vor duq mardaspanin u motsakin iraric cheq tarberum ev heto inch mahacu vnas karox er tal sovorakan motsak@ vor kyanqi u mahvan kriv gna
te duq malariayi motsak i nkati uneq
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SNOOP-DOGG:
To Darrel and Wizard
Teper' naschet statistiki: a ya i ne govoru chto eto snizit, ya govoru chto takoi chelovek ne imeet pravo jit, a to chto ne ya i ne obshestvo dali etu jizn' emu chtob etu jizn' zbirat' to on toje ne daval ego tamu kogo uje net a vzyal ego ili daje iX, a esli kto to [email protected] za ramki chego to, to ne imeet prava trebovat' chtob po otnosheniu k nemu ne [email protected]


Ayo duq cheq voroshum zrkel ayd mardun kyanqic, vorovhetev voch duq voch el dzer grats hasarakutyun@ voch mi baroyakan iravunq chuneq voroshelu te um mahapatji entarken um cmah bantarkutyan. Ev ete inch vor mek@ SXAL ban e arel, voric mahacel e mi mard kam mardiq da chi nshanakum , vor menq el petq e nuyn sxal@ tuyl tanq iren el ir kyanqic zrkelov qani vor dranic voch mi lav ban chi linelu.

Xristianstvo? Ya xrestyanin v tom [email protected] chto ya armenin i ni za chto svou veru ne izmenu, a vo vsem ostal'nom ya veru tol'ko v [email protected] silu a ne v cerkov', bibliu ili nashix terterov. prosto prochitaete Emina pro ego pervoe putishestvie po zapadnoi Armenii i vam zaxochetsa chtob takoi cerkvi v Armenii voobshe ne [email protected]

Es chem haskanum te inchpes eq duq Hay Qristonya, vor voch mer Hay Araqelakan Ekexecun eq havatum voch el Astvatsashnchin (hla terternerin el mi koxm dnenq )
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Cankacac mardu kartsiq ays hartserum subyektiva, u yes khamarem inch vor meki kartsiq@ obyektiv erb vor iran motik mardu het da kpatahi u inq@ kasi vochinch bana egela, togh mi tas tari nsti, im pogerov apri heto helni, erevi dzvats klini.
Isk achqer@ mardu mot amenalayn@ bacvum en cavits.
Karox eq asel aysqnov inch eiq cankanum asel, vor chi stacvel.
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mahapatij@ anhrajesht e chkirarel mianshanak, sakayn miajamanak petq e hstakecnel anhrajesht pashtpanutyan institut@, vorov iravunq e verapahvum nuynisk mah patcharel hancagorcin, hima hayastanum mardun datum en ditavoryal hancanqi hamar, lavaguyn depqum anrajesht pashtpanutyan sahmanneri ancum!!!!!!!!!

Isk @ndanrapes es koxm em vendettai gaxaparin vorpes` anhrajesht ev obektiv anxusapeliutyun, ev Astvacain kamq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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