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Old 17.09.2002, 00:06   #46
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4 SNOOP-DOGG

Vzglyani na vopros s etoi storoni.

Primer 1.
(V sluchae prinyatiya smertnoi kazni)

Paren' idyot vecherom domoi .
Vidit na doroge chelovek lejit .
On podxodit k nemu, s celyu pomoch chemto.A tot ubit.
I tut priejayet miliciya .... nu ponyatno shto dalshe...
Ego sudyat, vsyo protiv nego, u nego ne "harust papa"
Ego kaznyat.....

Primer 2.

(Zakon o smertnoi kazni ne sushestvuet)

Tot je paren shol vecherom.......i.t.d.
...emu dali pojiznenniy srok .
Cherez nekotoroe vremya lovyat istennogo pristupnika.
Pered parnem, katoriy kogda-to shol vecherom damoi... a shyas sidit v tyurme s pojiznenim srokom , izvenyayutsya, otpuskayut ......

Ya pitalsya virazitsya kak mojno proshe.


Tak kakoi je primer tebe po dushe ?
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Aysinqn du voch mi banov ches tarbervum afrikayum aprox vayri cexeric
Ete du gtnum es, vor du voch mi banov ches tarbervum vayrenineric da qo xndirn e, bayc mer vzin mi patatai da vorovhetev i tarberutyun qez es indz bardzr em dasum apachineric kam nmanatip cexeric.
Mard@ cankacac paragayum mnume mard, isk ayn vor qez barzr es gnahatum inch vor mekits, ayn el mi amboxj cexits karoxe linel qo kam inch vor meki kartsiq@, andsamb yes inds chem hamarum bartsr kam cacr voch mekits. Mardiq cnvum en iravahavasar, ev ayn te nranq inchqanov en zargatsats chi voroshvum nrants tesqov kam hagukapov!!!
Inds ber gone mi qani orinak vor Yerevantsin aveli zargatsatse qan nuyn apachin, kam afrikacin. Menak chases menq kamputer unenq iranq che, kam tents baner. texnikakan araj2ntac@ vochinch chi nshanakum aveli lav mard linelu paragayum.

Privedu primer, kogda tebya kusaet komar chto t@ delaesh? Beresh ego za lapu i pomeschaesh v banku a potom [email protected] den' escho i kormish ego. Dumau chto net, prosto ubivaesh i daje [email protected] chto ubil jivoe suschestvo!!! A kakaya raznica mejdu komarom i ubiicei vse m@ [email protected] I tut nikakix emocii net. est'prostoi instikt samosoxraneniya i vse..

Ays orinak@ hech kap chuni qnnarkvox harci het` manavand vor duq mardaspanin u motsakin iraric cheq tarberum ev heto inch mahacu vnas karox er tal sovorakan motsak@ vor kyanqi u mahvan kriv gna
Portsem cuyc tal qez kap@(Kogda chelovek [email protected] chto to novoe, to [email protected] chto trudnee obyasnit' eto drugim chem ponyat' eto samomu... Rezerford). Hatuk nshel em tarberutyun@ mardu ev motsaki mej(entatexstum), @ndgtselov vor mard@ shat aveli vtangavor e qan motsak@. Sakayn chnayats ayn pastin vor inch vor kendani eak, vor@ arandznapes mets vnas chi karogh patjarel, mardun inch vor kerp xangarelis kam aveli jisht anhangstacnelis arjani e mahvan bolori achqerum, Duq asum eq vor mardaspan@ vorn inchpes nshvets verevum shat aveli vtangavor e(hamenain deps im kartsiqov) arjani e neroxamtutyan, kam aveli mexm patji. Isk mard@ ev motsak@ bolorn el asttsu eaknern en ev bolorn el aprelu iravunq unen. ayjm ancnenq mard motsak haraberutyunnerin. Im xorin hamozmamb anhat mard@ shat aveli qich nshanakutyun uni hasarakutyan kyanqum (mi hogi avel mi hogi pakas ban chi poxum) qan motsak@ inch vor arandsin anhati.
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Ay es qo grats bolor baner@ arden tariner e, vor amboxj ashxarhum vichakagrutyun@ apacucum e, bayc vorosh mardiq eli irencn en pndum (hamadzayn em da iranc iravunqn e ev subyektiv kartsiq@), bayc kareli e mi qich achqer@ layn bacel u tesnel vor mer asatsi mej shat chisht u apacucvats baner kan
andzamb es pasterov em xosum` nuyn@ im kartsiqov darrel@, W_z_rd@, u bolor nranq ovqer mer het hamakartsiq en
Eli hartser kan? Ete che yes harc unem, inchna tenc tsitsaxalu?
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Tak kakoi je primer tebe po dushe ?
Esli sluchai [email protected] to konechno [email protected], esli uchest' chto ubiistva sluchautsa [email protected] den' [email protected] to luchshe uj odin ili desyat' raz [email protected] a v [email protected] [email protected]
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Esli sluchai [email protected] to konechno [email protected], esli uchest' chto ubiistva sluchautsa [email protected] den' [email protected] to luchshe uj odin ili desyat' raz [email protected] a v [email protected] [email protected]

........Isk achqer@ mardu mot amenalayn@ bacvum en cavits.

........ya konechno ponimau chto eto strashno (ne dai bog sluchitsa eto s kem to) no stanovlenie gosudarstva trebuet jertv,
A ti gotov bit' etoi jertvoi ?
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A ti gotov bit' etoi jertvoi ?
Nexotelos' b@ konechno... Net chto ya govoru, YA b@ vse sdelal chtob ne popast' v takuu situaciu, no uj esli popal, to nichego ne podelaesh.....
eto chto kasaetsa nezaslujennoi smertnoi kazni. A esli umeret' za otechestvo, to da gotov vsegda , v lubuyu minutu, kak to'ko sam uviju etu neobxodimost'.
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A ti gotov bit' etoi jertvoi ?
Nexotelos' b@ konechno... Net chto ya govoru, YA b@ vse sdelal chtob ne popast' v takuu situaciu, no uj esli popal, to nichego ne podelaesh.....
eto chto kasaetsa nezaslujennoi smertnoi kazni. A esli umeret' za otechestvo, to da gotov vsegda , v lubuyu minutu, kak to'ko sam uviju etu neobxodimost'.
Arden erb harc@ verabervum e dzez, vor hnaravor e duq nman anelaneli drutyan mej @nkneq ayn jamank haskanum eq vor petq che mardkanc Mahapatj entarkel. Ankax nranc katarats hancagortsutyan bnuytic
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Originally posted by SYSTEM:
A ti gotov bit' etoi jertvoi ?
Nexotelos' b@ konechno... Net chto ya govoru, YA b@ vse sdelal chtob ne popast' v takuu situaciu, no uj esli popal, to nichego ne podelaesh.....
eto chto kasaetsa nezaslujennoi smertnoi kazni. A esli umeret' za otechestvo, to da gotov vsegda , v lubuyu minutu, kak to'ko sam uviju etu neobxodimost'.
Ti legko mojesh rastatsya s jiznyu iz za sudebnoi oshibki ?
I shto eto dast tvoei srtane ?
Dumaesh tebe iz za etogo postavlyut pamyatnik ?
Esli nado budet mnogie otdadut svoi jizni dlya za****i svoei strani, v tom chisle i ya, no umerat'iz za sudebnoi oshibki ???
Na shto budet poxaja strana kotoraya stroitsya na sudebnix oshibkax ? Prichom eto budet delat' saznatel'no, dopuskaya shto mogut bit' oshibki .
A shto razve dlya strani ne vajen kajdiy ego grajdanin ???
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SYSTEM:

Ti legko mojesh rastatsya s jiznyu iz za sudebnoi oshibki ?
I shto eto dast tvoei srtane ?
Dumaesh tebe iz za etogo postavlyut pamyatnik ?
Esli nado budet mnogie otdadut svoi jizni dlya za****i svoei strani, v tom chisle i ya, no umerat'iz za sudebnoi oshibki ???
Na shto budet poxaja strana kotoraya stroitsya na sudebnix oshibkax ? Prichom eto budet delat' saznatel'no, dopuskaya shto mogut bit' oshibki .
A shto razve dlya strani ne vajen kajdiy ego grajdanin ???

Xelaci e asvats!!!
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Ti legko mojesh rastatsya s jiznyu iz za sudebnoi oshibki ?
Net, ne dumau chto eto budet legko, no elsi jizn' tak slojilas' ya ne govoru chto nujno sdavatsa, ya prosto govoru chto bez oshibok ne [email protected], i iz za togo chto budut oshibki ne nado [email protected] ot principa gosudarstva.

Dumaesh tebe iz za etogo postavlyut pamyatnik ?

Ne nujen mne nikakoi pamyatnik, ya eto delau vpervuu ochered' dlya sebya samogo.

Esli nado budet mnogie otdadut svoi jizni dlya za****i svoei strani, v tom chisle i ya, no umerat'iz za sudebnoi oshibki ???
Na shto budet poxaja strana kotoraya stroitsya na sudebnix oshibkax ? Prichom eto budet delat' saznatel'no, dopuskaya shto mogut bit' oshibki .

Opyat' je ya ne govoru chto nujno, ya govoru neizbejno. Mojesh privesti xot' odin primer system@ bez oshibok?

A shto razve dlya strani ne vajen kajdiy ego grajdanin ???

[email protected] grajdanin konechno vajen, no gosudarstvo kak celostnoe vajnee vsex grajdan otdel'no [email protected] i daje grupp.
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Originally posted by Edmon Maroukian:
Arden erb harc@ verabervum e dzez, vor hnaravor e duq nman anelaneli drutyan mej @nkneq ayn jamank haskanum eq vor petq che mardkanc Mahapatj entarkel. Ankax nranc katarats hancagortsutyan bnuytic
Yes aydpisi ban chem asel, hamakarg@ petqe inds mahapatji entarki ete ban@ arden hasele dran, sakayn yes chem patrastvum vorpes anhat nstel u spasel erb en inds spanelu, inchpes ev cankacac ayl mek@.
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Ti legko mojesh rastatsya s jiznyu iz za sudebnoi oshibki ?
Net, ne dumau chto eto budet legko, no elsi jizn' tak slojilas' ya ne govoru chto nujno sdavatsa, ya prosto govoru chto bez oshibok ne [email protected], i iz za togo chto budut oshibki ne nado [email protected] ot principa gosudarstva.
Soglasen bez oshibok ne bivaet, no esli eto oshibka uje viyavlina, razve ne ludshe ego ispravit' ili svesti k minimumu ?
Razve odin iz principov gosudarstva ne yavlyaetsya za****a svoix grajdan ? Koneshno inogda ona idyot na jertvi, no ve tom sluchae ved' mojno oboitis' bez etoi jertvi .
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Opyat' je ya ne govoru chto nujno, ya govoru neizbejno. Mojesh privesti xot' odin primer system@ bez oshibok?

Opyat je esli eta oshibka sushestvuet, ti je sam prinemaesh nalichie etoi oshibki, i shto eto yavlyaetsya oshibkoi, pochemu je ne popitatsya ispravit ?
Ti govorish shto ona neizbejna, no pochemu mojno ved' izbejat'?
Vot tut i u nas nachinayutsya raznoglasiya...
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A kakaya raznica mejdu mest'u i nakazaniem? On ne sdelal domashnee zadanee i mamochka ego [email protected]!!!!


Разница большая. Представь, ты нарушил правила движения, а ГАИшник остановил тебя и отдубасил дубинкой...ну злой он на тебя Нет, именно наказание, а не месть. Поэтому соответствующая статья в УК называется "уголовные наказания", а не "уголовная месть".

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Cankacac mardu kartsiq ays hartserum subyektiva, u yes khamarem inch vor meki kartsiq@ obyektiv erb vor iran motik mardu het da kpatahi u inq@ kasi vochinch bana egela, togh mi tas tari nsti, im pogerov apri heto helni, erevi dzvats klini.
Isk achqer@ mardu mot amenalayn@ bacvum en cavits.
Надо различать боль человека, понесшего утрату от общественной политики. Поэтому наказание назначает судья, а не пострадавший или прокурор. В этом смысл юстиции - не мстить, но наказывать. Если строить общество на мести, то можно получить что-то вроде стаи бешенных псов.

Ну а на счет того цивилизованное человек существо или нет - это каждый решает за себя. лично мне кажется, что отличие между дикарями и гражданами государства – существенное
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Mne kazhetsya, chto vryad li mozhno dobavit` chto-to eshe k skazannomu po etoy teme.

Kstati, a kakogo mnenie bol`shinstva armyanskix yuristov na etot schet, oni za ili protiv smertnoy kazni ?

I eshe:
Uvazhaemie darrel i Edmon, esli u vas est` vremya, ne mogli by vkratce rasskazat` narodu pochemu sushestvuyut institut tyurem, pochemu sazhayut tuda provinivshixsya i pochemu v sovremennom obsestve lyudey nakazivayut imenno lisheniem svobodi i prinuditel`nymi rabotami, a ne, skazhem, porkoy, pitkoy, itd (v ideale, konechno ).
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Nu ladno chto-to uj ochen' mnogo m@ pishem i nikto nikago ni v chem ne ubedit.
V poslednii raz poprobuu privesti svoi vzglyad@.
Oshibka o kotoroi govorilas' ne sama smertnaya kazn', a sudebnaya oshibka, i staratsa sdelat' tak chtob sud'ya ili kto-to escho ne sovershal oshibok konechno obyazatel'no, no eto ne oznachaet chto nujno menyat' formu nakazaniya kak v@ sami govorite.
Neschet mesti nichego ne mogu dobavit', ya sam eto [email protected] obshestvennoi mest'u.

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Privedu primer tvoei porki. V saudovskoi aravii ludei tak i [email protected](ne schitaya konechno chto mogut ruku otrezat), i tam odin iz [email protected] nizkix pokazatelei prestupnosti a [email protected] vorovstva voobshe net, tak chto esche vopros chto deistvuet luchshe.
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