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Old 24.05.2002, 15:46   #16
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Ete duq sa i nkati chuneiq xndrum em harc@ noric greq u aveli hstak, vor es karoxanam patasxanel.
Goyutyun unen "menter" voronq kextot dzevov en ashxatum (jebi meg plan gcel, glix sarqel, cecelov pokazanianer en vercnum i t.p.) u kan vostikanner voronq hamematabar maqur en ashxatum mardkanc glxnerin chen sarqum, MP-i ashxatoxner@ "ment" en te vostikanner?
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Zin dataxazutyun@ heriq chi ???
Et nujna vor ases qaxmasner@ pakenq sovorakan dataxazutjun@ sax ani. Isk et depqum Operativ gorcoxutjunner@ ova anelu?
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MP n qnnum e tetev gortser asenq paxust, goxutyun, ev nmanatip ayl hancagortsutyunner, isk Zindataxazutyun@ spanutyunner u nmanatip ayl tsanr hancagortsutyunner, ha mi ban el` orinak ete mi zinvorakan pashtonya hancagortsutyun e arel u nmanatip zinpashtonakan hancagortsutyunner MP n chi karox qnnel dranq miayn Zindataxazutyann en @ndatya
Edmon jan, miqich sxalvum es. MP-yum himnakan 3 oper bajin ka
1) ZIL (Zoramas@ Inqnaglux lqacneri)
2) ZUP (Zinvorakan Unecvacqi Pahpanum)
3) Qreakan Heatqxuzutjun. (menak qreakan gorcererov zbaxvum)
u mi hat el hetaqnchakan bajin ka. Vor oper bajin@ hancagorca brnum (karevorchi dezirtira te mardaspan) naxapatrastuma nyuter uxarkuama hetaqnnchakan bajin et bajin@ nor nyuter@ patrastum u voroshuma gubaxtov prcni te qreakan patasxanutyan entarkvi, es depqum et mardu gorc@ gnuma dataxazutyun. Qreakan gorc harucelu iravunq uni miajn dataxazutyun@.
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Urish gorc a, vor orinak, 99-i hoktemberi depqeri zhamanak amen tex gorcum er MP, poxaren orinak vostikanutjuny kam azgajin anvtangutjun@... Da es el chem haskanum.
Vorovhetev, MVD-n u KGB-n xarnvel ein irar, qnereq artahajtutyans hamar, qaqel ein takner@. Iranc naxararner@ azgain joxovum atorneri tak paxkvac ein. Es iranc ashxatoxner@ chgitejin inch anel perevarota sa te inch, u nstac spasum ein incha linelu. Isk Vova Gasparyanin halala! Krakocneric heto 10 ropejva @ntacqum ekav AJ ev 15 rope heto sax shenq@ shrjapatac er. U ete MP-nel xarnver MVD-i u KGB-i nman shat hnaravora vor tetev qaxaciakan paterazm liner.
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Old 24.05.2002, 19:43   #17
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Vor chisht asem, dzer gracneric ban glux chem hanum...
Iskapes cheq haskanum inchi hamar e naxatesvac MP-n??? Nujn bani hamar e inch, sovorakan vostikanutjuny, bajc banakum carajox andzanc hamar (sa idealakan tarberakn e)... Nman dzevi el kareli e zugaher anckacnel zin.dataxazutjan ev sovorakan dataxazutjan mijev...
Urish gorc a, vor orinak, 99-i hoktemberi depqeri zhamanak amen tex gorcum er MP, poxaren orinak vostikanutjuny kam azgajin anvtangutjun@... Da es el chem haskanum.
Aystex glux hanelu voch mi bard ban chka ete sax hertakanutyamb kardaq khaskanaq da bolorin el parz e inch vor anum e sovorakan vostikanutyun@ ayd nuyn banern el anum en razmakan vostikanutyun@ tarberutyun@ na e, vor meki goprts@ sovorakan qaxaqacineri het e kapvats, isk myusin@ zinvorakanneri het.
99-i hoktemberi jamanak Azgayin Anvtangutyun@ petq e anpayman gortser, vorovhetev Qreakan Datavarutyunov (orensgrqov) e trvats, vor hayreniqi davachanutyun, petakan hexashrjum ev nmanatip gortserov iranq en zbaxvum Es haskanum em te inchi hamar e MP-n, chimanal@ amot chi chharcneln e amot.
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Old 24.05.2002, 20:19   #18
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Originally posted by Gates
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Edmon jan, miqich sxalvum es. MP-yum himnakan 3 oper bajin ka
1) ZIL (Zoramas@ Inqnaglux lqacneri)
2) ZUP (Zinvorakan Unecvacqi Pahpanum)
3) Qreakan Heatqxuzutjun. (menak qreakan gorcererov zbaxvum)
u mi hat el hetaqnchakan bajin ka. Vor oper bajin@ hancagorca brnum (karevorchi dezirtira te mardaspan) naxapatrastuma nyuter uxarkuama hetaqnnchakan bajin et bajin@ nor nyuter@ patrastum u voroshuma gubaxtov prcni te qreakan patasxanutyan entarkvi, es depqum et mardu gorc@ gnuma dataxazutyun. Qreakan gorc harucelu iravunq uni miajn dataxazutyun@.
Es et qo grats@ bolor@ gitem ayd bajinneri masin u iranc operativ ashxatanqneri masin el, bayc stex du es sxalvum, vor mtatsum es te MP n chi karox gorts harucel du da urish bani het es xarnum hima es kasem. MP i (vostikanutyan,dataxazutyan,azgayin anvtangutyan)lyuboi qnnich partavor e ir hertapahutyan jamanak texi unecats u handznaravats gortseri pasteri himan vra qr. gorts harucel u irakanacnel qr. hetapndum ayd amen@ minchev mexadrakan ezrakacutyun storagrel@ qnnichi liazorutyunneri mej e mtnum, isk mexadrakan@ storagrum e dataxaz@ ev gorts@ uxarkum dataran.

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Goyutyun unen "menter" voronq kextot dzevov en ashxatum (jebi meg plan gcel, glix sarqel, cecelov pokazanianer en vercnum i t.p.) u kan vostikanner voronq hamematabar maqur en ashxatum mardkanc glxnerin chen sarqum, MP-i ashxatoxner@ "ment" en te vostikanner?
Gates jan nax ari tarberenq dranc mi hat (ment asvum e @ndhanrapes NG ashxatakicnerin te lav te vat),isk dranq bolorn el vostikanner en prost@ mek@ qo asats metodnerov e ashxatum isk myus@ maqur orenqov. Qo asats metodov ashxatox menterin es urish barov em anvanum (cenzurayic durs aystex grelu chi) im kartsiqov dranc vareln el qich e, isk te MP i ashxatoxner@ inch dzevi en es misht vatn em lsel, bayc nranc mej el lav maqur ashxatoxner klinen` sa im subyektiv kartsiqn e.
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Es et qo grats@ bolor@ gitem ayd bajinneri masin u iranc operativ ashxatanqneri masin el, bayc stex du es sxalvum, vor mtatsum es te MP n chi karox gorts harucel du da urish bani het es xarnum hima es kasem. MP i (vostikanutyan,dataxazutyan,azgayin anvtangutyan)lyuboi qnnich .....
1998 tvakani verchin Razmakan Vostikanutyan Qnnchakan bajin@ (henc et bajinner er sahmanadrutyan@ hakasum) pakvela, u ajd vaxtvanic MP-yum qnnich chka u ira koxmic chi harucvel voch mi Qreakan gorc, hima MP-yum ka miajn hetaqnnchakan bajin, vorum ashxatum en hetaqnnichner. Voronq iravunq chunen qreakan gorc harucen.
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1998 tvakani verchin Razmakan Vostikanutyan Qnnchakan bajin@ (henc et bajinner er sahmanadrutyan@ hakasum) pakvela, u ajd vaxtvanic MP-yum qnnich chka u ira koxmic chi harucvel voch mi Qreakan gorc, hima MP-yum ka miajn hetaqnnchakan bajin, vorum ashxatum en hetaqnnichner. Voronq iravunq chunen qreakan gorc harucen
Ay axper es dranc het verji angam im tsarayutyan jamanak em shpvel u et qo asats MP i qnnichner@ et jamanak qr. gorts ein harucum, hima es qo asats@ indz shat hetaqrqrec u es aveli konkret kimanam, bayc chem haskanum Sahmanadrutyan@ vonc er hakasum ayd bajin@ ete du gites mi hat manramas@ gri.
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Ay axper es dranc het verji angam im tsarayutyan jamanak em shpvel u et qo asats MP i qnnichner@ et jamanak qr. gorts ein harucum, hima es qo asats@ indz shat hetaqrqrec u es aveli konkret kimanam, bayc chem haskanum Sahmanadrutyan@ vonc er hakasum ayd bajin@ ete du gites mi hat manramas@ gri.
Qnnchakn gorcoxutyunneri ev qreakan gorc harucelu iravunq uni mian u mian dataxazutyun@. Edmon, du vor tvin es carael?
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Originally posted by Gates
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Qnnchakn gorcoxutyunneri ev qreakan gorc harucelu iravunq uni mian u mian dataxazutyun@. Edmon, du vor tvin es carael?
Gates jan ay axper du aynqan vstah asecir, vor es el im imacatsi vra kaskatseci . Bayc te ay axper jan che eli tenc chi qo aselov MP n handisanum e hetaqnnutyan marmin, isk hetaqnnutyan marmin@ karox e qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner irakanacnel u qreakan gorts harucel ev 10 orya jamketum handznel gorts@ qnnichin. Aynpes, vor hima erevi du imacar vor qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner u qreakan gorts harucel@ miayn dataxazutyan liazorutyunner@ chen.
Ha es el 1999 ic em tsarayel Mexriyum
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Hima dzer gra&ner@ vor kardum em che` sirts xarnuma ... U avelord angam hamozvum em, vor inch lava vor es hima tohnum em iravabanakan@ !!!
Hima vor nayenq mer hasarakutyan@ iravabannern u miliceq@ hasarak johovurdic shat en ... U bolorn el iranc grpani hastuyan masin en mta&um ... Isk verjin itogum voch mek mer masin chi uzum mta&i ...
Hasarak mi ban qahmasum mi hat iravunqnericd es dzen hanum @nenc en topku pochkeqid vor moranum es bolor orenqneri masin !!!
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Hima vor nayenq mer hasarakutyan@ iravabannern u miliceq@ hasarak johovurdic shat en ... U bolorn el iranc grpani hastuyan masin en mta&um ... Isk verjin itogum voch mek mer masin chi uzum mta&i ...
Ha chisht es asum, bayc ber IRAVABANNERIN miliceqi het mi hamemati gites inchu` vorovhetev es indz vat em zgum . Heto el inchqan iravunq imacox mardiq shat @lnen aynqan shut mer petutyun@ kdarna iravakan petutyun. U et shat iravabanner@ ete ogut chtan hastat vnas chen ta.
Isk mer masin menq enq mtatselu ete menq mer masin chmtatsenq u nayenq chinovniknerin te inch en anelu mer hamar` kkorchenq. Dra hamar menq petqa mer apagayi ter@ darnanq u urish voch mek.
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Gates jan ay axper du aynqan vstah asecir, vor es el im imacatsi vra kaskatseci . Bayc te ay axper jan che eli tenc chi qo aselov MP n handisanum e hetaqnnutyan marmin, isk hetaqnnutyan marmin@ karox e qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner irakanacnel u qreakan gorts harucel ev 10 orya jamketum handznel gorts@ qnnichin. Aynpes, vor hima erevi du imacar vor qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner u qreakan gorts harucel@ miayn dataxazutyan liazorutyunner@ chen.
Ha es el 1999 ic em tsarayel Mexriyum
Edmom jan, inchqan es hishum (ete sxalvum em uxxi indz) qreakan gorts@ harucvuma dataxazi makagrutyumb, u anpajman chi glxavor dataxzi (dataxazutyunnerum kan mi qani dataxazner, bajni dataxaz, glxavor dataxaz i t.p.), isk MP-yum dataxaz chka! U es qez HASTAT asem vor 1998-ic MP-n qreakan gorc chi harucel!
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Edmom jan, inchqan es hishum (ete sxalvum em uxxi indz) qreakan gorts@ harucvuma dataxazi makagrutyumb, u anpajman chi glxavor dataxzi (dataxazutyunnerum kan mi qani dataxazner, bajni dataxaz, glxavor dataxaz i t.p.), isk MP-yum dataxaz chka! U es qez HASTAT asem vor 1998-ic MP-n qreakan gorc chi harucel!
Uremn lsi im axper HH um miayn glxavor dataxazutyunum u (Jhangiryani nstavayrum zindataxazutyan kentronum) e, vor kan qo asatsi pes shat dataxazner u bajinner, bajni peter` dataxazner du da xarnel es marzayin u kayazori dataxazi het vortex dranc hakarak mi dataxaz e qaxaqaciakanum mi dataxaz e ira texakalnerov, ognakannerov, avag qnnichnerov ev qnnichnerov. Zindataxazutyunnerum aysinqn kayazori` ka mi dataxaz ira texakalov (mi hogi),ognakannerov, avag qnnichnerov u qnnichnerov Aysqan@ dataxazutyan masin.
Isk @ndhanrapes qreakan gortser@ harucvum en qnnichi hamapatasxan voroshmamab, bnakanabar dataxazn el karox e harucel, bayc voch qo asaci pes miayn datxazi makagrutyamb.
De da harc chi MP um dataxaz chka, bayc vor MP n hetaqnnutyan marmin e ev uni hetaqnnutyan marmni pet (vori liazorutyunneri mej el mtnum e qr. gorts harucel@, qr. gortsi harucel@ merjel@, qr. gorts@ karchel@, kaskatsyalin dzerbakalel@, xapanman mijoc @ntrel@ ev ayl qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner@) dra hamar em es hishum vor MP n qr. gorts er harucel im tsarayutyan jamanak. Inch mnume ayd bajni pakvel@ es ayd harcum qo het chem sporvum qani vor ayd bajni pakveluc heto MP n naxaqnnutyun chi irakanacnum, vorovhetev inq@ amboxjutyamb hetaqnnutyan marmin e, bayc da chi nshanakum vor liazorutyun chuni qr. gorts harucelu ev qnnichin handznelu. Chgitem qo ayd tvyalner@ vortexic e, vor 1998-ic MP-n qreakan gorc chi harucel, vor aydqan vstah asum es` ayd harcum es qo het chem karox sporvel, vorovhetev chgitem harucel en te che, bayc vor da iranc iravunqneri mej mtnum e da hastat kasem indz tvuma hima du hamozvecir (vor asum eir qnnchakan gortsoxutyunner karox e anel miayn u miayn dataxazutyun@), vor lav chgiteir. Ayd bolor@ hetaqnnutyan marmni liazorutyunneri mej mtnum e. Husov em vor amen inch qez parz exav
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Chgitem qo ayd tvyalner@ vortexic e, vor 1998-ic MP-n qreakan gorc chi harucel, vor aydqan vstah asum es
Asem vortexic, 1998-i hunisi 10-ic minchev 2000-i majisi 20-@ es carael em HH PN Razmakan Vostikanutyunum vorpes operator-cragravorox, voric 1.5 tari carael em MP-i varchutyunum ZIL (zoramas@ inqnaglux lqacneri) bajnum, ZIL bajni amboxch txtabanutyun@ ev urish bajinneri txtabanutyun mi mas@ ancnum er im dzerov, es mi qani angam grutyun em stacel HH Zindataxazutyuan "esiminch" bajniri dataxazneric (voch kayazori dataxazic), qrekan gorc harucelu veraberyal kam karchelu veraberyal. U hetevum ei mer bajni koxmic berman entarkvacneri veraberyal patrastvac nyuteri hetaga @ntacq@ (mer bajnic 10 orva @ntacqum nyuter@ gnum er hetaqnnchakan bajin, vor@ talis er ajd nyuterin hetaga @ntacq, kam dataxazutyun ein uxarkum NYUTER@ kam zincarayoxin uxarkvum ein zoramas) isk ete berman entarkaci veraberyal qr.gorc kar harucvac, nyuter@ anmigapes uxarkvum er zindataxzutyun u vochmi angam hetaqnnchakan bajin@ chi harucel, kam karchel voreve qr.gorc.
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Hamamit em` es qez asum ei iranc liazorutyunner@, isk vor @ndhanur cucum er exel (dataxazi cucum@ partadir e) qr. gortser@ harucelu masin da es el gitei. Hima qez asem inchic exav da, vor MP n shat iravaxaxtumner er anum (de du vor ayntex es tsarayel du kimanas iranc ashxatelavoch@) mardu iravunqneri xaxtumner dra hamar el nerqin cucum exav vor qr. gortser@ dataxazutyun@ miayn haruci u iranc hskoxutyan tak lini. Hima parza du el dranic ezrakacrel es, vor iranq iravunq chunen (ayd bolor@ anelu) dra hamar el im het sporvum eir.
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Hamamit em` es qez asum ei iranc liazorutyunner@, isk vor @ndhanur cucum er exel (dataxazi cucum@ partadir e) qr. gortser@ harucelu masin da es el gitei. Hima qez asem inchic exav da, vor MP n shat iravaxaxtumner er anum (de du vor ayntex es tsarayel du kimanas iranc ashxatelavoch@) mardu iravunqneri xaxtumner dra hamar el nerqin cucum exav vor qr. gortser@ dataxazutyun@ miayn haruci u iranc hskoxutyan tak lini. Hima parza du el dranic ezrakacrel es, vor iranq iravunq chunen (ayd bolor@ anelu) dra hamar el im het sporvum eir.
Ok, parza liazorutyunneri harc@ parzvec.
Isk inch verabervuma iranc ashxatelavochin, et el asem, vor MP-i Varchutyun@ ev Erevan qaxaqi bajin@ (rajonneri masin ban chem kara asem) ashxatum en bavakanin mardavari, shat aveli maqur qan NG bajinner@ (vochmeki pochkeqin chen xpum)! Es erku tarva @ntacqum chem tesel vor MP-i ashxatakicneri koxmic inchvor zinvori "glxin sarqvi" kam ira hancanq@ txtabanoren urachcvi, vor shat pox "poken".
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Ok, parza liazorutyunneri harc@ parzvec.
Isk inch verabervuma iranc ashxatelavochin, et el asem, vor MP-i Varchutyun@ ev Erevan qaxaqi bajin@ (rajonneri masin ban chem kara asem) ashxatum en bavakanin mardavari, shat aveli maqur qan NG bajinner@ (vochmeki pochkeqin chen xpum)! Es erku tarva @ntacqum chem tesel vor MP-i ashxatakicneri koxmic inchvor zinvori "glxin sarqvi" kam ira hancanq@ txtabanoren urachcvi, vor shat pox "poken".[/QB][/QUOTE]
Ay et chgitei es henc gitei sax texern en dranq tenc, bayc te tramabanakan a gites de Erevan tex kentron a eli saxi achqi araj aydqn iravapashtpan kazmakerputyunner@ @tex dra hamar el orinakan en ashxatum. Astvats ta sax texern el tenc @lni.
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