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Old 29.04.2003, 16:50   #76
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To chto proiskhodit s tvoim drugom - bezzakonie. Ya s toboy soglasen.

Kogda ya govoryu sud - ya ponimayu organ obladayushiy pravom kvalificirovat' chelovecheskiy postupok kak prestuplenie. Ya soglasen, chto sudebnaya sistema u nas ne samaya luchshaya. No ved' dazhe v plokhoy sudebnoy systeme est' ponyatie prokuror-a, advokata, i podsudimogo. Podcherkivayu podsudimogo, a ne prestupnika. Posle dokazatel'stva viny podsudimogo i kvalifikatsii etoy viny sudom kak prestupnoy, my mozhem nazvat' cheloveka prestupnikom.Eto odno iz bazovykh prav cheloveka.

NIKTO krome suda ne mozhet nazvat' cheloveka prestupnikom. I esli by Astghik ne kvalificirovala by deystviya presidenta, kak prestuplenie, ya by privel inuyu argumentaciyu.

V dannom sluchae mne viditsya 3 varianta:
1. Prostaya neosvedomlennost' o funkciyakh suda i bazovykh elementakh prava
2. Zhelanie oskorbit' presidenta
3. Zhelanie proizvesti vpechatlenie gromkimi zayavleniyami

Ya ne znayu kakaya iz etikh versiy pravil'na. Vpolne mozhet sluchitsya, chto neverny vse 3.

Prosto mne khochetsya, chtoby diskussiya velas' civil'no. I bez nedokazannykh obvineniy. Vot vrode i vse.


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Old 30.04.2003, 06:48   #77
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2 Pascal:
Vse tvoi argumenti bilili bi aktual'ni esli bi

Imeli mesto v Armemii :
1. normal'naya sudebnaya praktika.. I kak sledstvie Uverenost' v tom 4to lyubo prestupnik (a ne podozrevaemij ! ) poneset svoe nakazanie
2. bolee li menee nekarumpirovanoe pravitel'stvo.. (nekarumpirovanix pravitel'stv naverno v prirode voobshe ne sushestvuet.. )
3. I xotya bi odin slu4aj nakazaniya za vinu kogo libo iz "bivshix" za sodeyanae.


A tak kak:
1. Za 5 let nikogo ne osudili.. (Vano ya dumayu vi ne s4itaete 4to osudili..!? eto 4istij fars.. alya Berezovskij Armyanskoj masti... v itoge okajetca 4to on politi4eskij desident..) )
2. Vse klani po prejnemu zanimayutca svoej psevdo komer4eskoj deyatel'nostyu..
3. Blagosotoyanie naroda niskole4ko ne izmenilos'...
4. Nedoverie naroda k pravitel'stvu besporno uveli4ilos'..


To:
1. Govarit' o pravil'nom puti razvitiya nashej strani kak to ne prixoditca..
2. Nadeyatca na pravoxranitel'nie instituti kak to glupo..
3. Virajat' doverie nashemu prezidentu kak optimal'nomu variantu eto (kak mne kajetca) smeshno...


Nu a v ostal'nom vse vrode ne tak ploxo..))
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"Shutov kstanan. Armen [email protected] ev nra [email protected] iranc [email protected] kstanan. Mi kaskatsi."
Inch giteq? Arden voroshel eq datarani poxaren? U Duq indz arajarkum eq, vor es ayd dataranneri "[email protected]" dimem?
Inch eq, voroshel, Pascal, Armen Sargsyani "[email protected]" vorn e linelu? Ev ete gaghtniq che, erb eq voroshel - Naghdalyani mahic heto, te araj?
"ev nra [email protected]" - vorn e ayn? Hayastani Hanrapetutyan qaghaqakan @[email protected]?

"Qez chi tvum, vor tsankatsats pasti [email protected] voroshum e [email protected] ayl voch te [email protected], vori dem inch vor mi ban "tap en tvel"???"
Nayac inch nkati uneq "past" aselov. Past el ka past el. [email protected] brnazavtatsneri ev nranc entaka lratvamijocneri [email protected] paster chen, inchqan el verjinneris nerkayacucich [email protected] mtnen forumner u dranq vorpes past nerkayacnen. U icnhqan el mer anirav [email protected] pordzen ayd sterin "pasti" tesq tal, nranc [email protected] groshi arzheq chi unena, qani der dranc [email protected] zhoghovrdi mej havasar e zeroyi. Es chem hamarum vor im erkrum goyutyun uni dataran, gortsogh orenq. Hamenayndeps ayn inch vor kochvum e dataran, zhoghovrdi hamar che, anitsvats "@ntryalneri" hamar e. Isk ete liner dataran u ashxater [email protected] menq aysor aystegh cheyinq xosi, vorovhetev hancagortsutyan dem xosoghnerin bantaxcer xckelu poxaren, [email protected] hancagortsnerin kpatzher. Indz aysor, vorpes qaghaqacu, mnum e xosel miayn baroyakan orenqneri masin. Ayl hnaravorutyun cavoq chunem. Nuynisk Sahmanadrakan [email protected] inchpes tesanq vorpes aydpisin goyutyun chuni. Mi xeghch u krak vaxecats voroshum, ayn el eli, vonc hasnum xpum eq. Izur che, vor ays ishxaniknerin [email protected] turqi het e hamematum - andadar sut xoselu [email protected] ayn huysov, vor mi or ayn karogh e darnal chshmartutyun - turqi qaghaqakanutyun e.
Asum eq "[email protected]"? Duq ayd "amboxi" mej gone gtnvel eq? Gone tesel eq ayd "[email protected]" inch parkesht u kanonavorvats pahvacq uni? Tesel eq, vonc ein tghamardik dzmerva crtin sharqov kangnats tsererin u kananc dzerqic dzerq poxancum, ognum vor sarcot astichanneric ijnen aranc saytakelu? Tesel eq ayd "[email protected]" inchqan el vor shat lini tvov inch taratsutyun pahelu shnorhq uni, voreve mard myusin chi botum. Tesel eq, "amboxi" mej eghats bzhishkneri ognutyamb arag kazmakerpvogh [email protected] aprumneric, sovic kam glxaptuytic vatacogh mardkanc? Tesel eq "amboxi" mej eghats manr-munr [email protected]? Lsel eq "amboxi" [email protected]? Ed vortegh eq tesel aysipisi pahvatsqov "ambox", Pascal?
Isk Qocharyani kazmakerpats ayn odnorazoviy mitingin erevi eghel eq, vor mardkanc zorov avtobusnerov qshel ein Matenadarani mot, lcrel irar glxi, vostikanutyunn el shrjapatel pakel er, durs galu hnar cher talis, vorovhetev [email protected] kcrveyin. Vonc chmeraq Duq ayd hrmshtoci mej?! Es kes zham araj moteca ayd teghin, vor aydteghic ancnem, ijnem Hraparak, vortegh @nddimutyan hanrahavaqn er linelu, aynpisi xeghtoci mej @nka, vor indz tvum er hima kxeghdvem. Voreve qayl katarelu, inqnuruyn sharzhvelu hnaravorutyun chkar. [email protected] vonc qsher, aynpes el petq e gnayi. U ete hankarts @nkneyi, voreve [email protected] cher karoghanalu kranar, vor indz bardzracner. Haziv, mi shat xoshor tghamardu mejqic kpats 40 rope charcharveluc heto Ponchikanocic ija Opera. Heto el mets dzhvarutyamb haghtahareci vostikanutyan [email protected], nor prtsa. Sirts arden kangnum er, aydpisi amboxi mej, aydpisi hrmshtoci mej kyanqums arajin angam ei haytnvel!
Isk qocharyanamet [email protected] pordzum en indz havatacnel, vor @nddimutyan hanrahavaqnerin ambox e havaqvum. Staxosner. Himar chareq, togh dzez havata.
Gitem, shat kuzeyiq vor [email protected] ambox darnar, amen inch areciq dra hamar, bayc chdardzav. Vorovhetev payqarel mi zhoghovrdi dem, vorn inqn e payqari ardyunq, hskayaguyn payqari, amboghj ashxarhi patmutyan arhavirqneri mijic durs ekats haghtanakov, ays tesak zhoghovrdi dem payqarel u haghtanak tanel? Anitsven bolor nranq, um mtqov aydpisi apushutyun kancni!
Ankeghts asats, Dzer kartsiqi [email protected] indz hamar nuynn e, inch vor qocharyanamet mamuli [email protected] zhoghovrdi mej aysor. Bnakan e, vor harganqi bacardzak bacakayutyan paymannerum voreve xosaqcutyun animast e darnum.
Es Monoyi het ei uzum xosel, chishtn asats, vorovhetev ayd mardu mej, teev nran hamarum em hamarea zombiacvats, aynuamenayniv inch-vor pahpanvats hayeci nshuylner der tesnum em. Isk Dzez het inch xosem, Pascal? Dzer u dzer tayfayi gortsuneutyan ardyunqum e vor steghtsvel e ays tsanr [email protected] Hayastani nersum u Hayastani nkatmamb arterkrum.
Um eq satarum? Zhoghovrdi u ashxarhi koghmic arhamarvats mekin? Vor inch? Inchi dimac?
Zhoghovrdi anunic, asum eq chxosem? Amen chshmartaci xosq ankax im kamqic zhoghovrdi anunic e stacvelu. Inch, hima ov Dzez chisht ban asi, petq e aseq zhoghovrdi anunic chxoses? De aydpes areciq, eli, vor zhoghovrdi arhamarhanqin arzhanacaq, vorovhetev arhamareciq [email protected] - zhoghovrdin.
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Inch giteq? Arden voroshel eq datarani poxaren? U Duq indz arajarkum eq, vor es ayd dataranneri "[email protected]" dimem?
Inch eq, voroshel, Pascal, Armen Sargsyani "[email protected]" vorn e linelu? Ev ete gaghtniq che, erb eq voroshel - Naghdalyani mahic heto, te araj?
"ev nra [email protected]" - vorn e ayn? Hayastani Hanrapetutyan qaghaqakan @[email protected]?
Ira [email protected] qreakan hodvatsov datakan qnnutyunn e. Isk [email protected] chem voroshel. Qani vor ayd [email protected] der chi sksvel. Armen [email protected] meghadryal e. Sa nshanakum e, vor qnnakan [email protected] vstah e nra meghavorutyan mej, ev nerkayatsnelu e ayd [email protected] dataranum, vorn el voroshelu e Armen Sargsyani [email protected], ev ete ayn arka e, [email protected] "Tayf"-i tak es haskanum em ayn hancavor [email protected], [email protected] meghadrvum e nuyn [email protected] katarelu, kam ayd hancanqin ajakcelu mej.


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Nayac inch nkati uneq "past" aselov. Past el ka past el. [email protected] brnazavtatsneri
Sa past che.

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ev nranc entaka lratvamijocneri [email protected] paster chen, inchqan el verjinneris nerkayacucich [email protected] mtnen forumner u dranq vorpes past nerkayacnen.
Sa el past che.

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Es chem hamarum vor im erkrum goyutyun uni dataran, gortsogh orenq.
Isk es gtnum em, vor unen. Ughaki shat angam ayd [email protected] gortsum en [email protected] vat. Ays [email protected] iskapes petq e pokhel.

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Izur che, vor ays ishxaniknerin [email protected] turqi het e hamematum - andadar sut xoselu [email protected] ayn huysov, vor mi or ayn karogh e darnal chshmartutyun - turqi qaghaqakanutyun e.
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Ankeghts asats, Dzer kartsiqi [email protected] indz hamar nuynn e, inch vor qocharyanamet mamuli [email protected] zhoghovrdi mej aysor.
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Gitem, shat kuzeyiq vor [email protected] ambox darnar, amen inch areciq dra hamar, bayc chdardzav. Vorovhetev payqarel mi zhoghovrdi dem, vorn inqn e payqari ardyunq, hskayaguyn payqari, amboghj ashxarhi patmutyan arhavirqneri mijic durs ekats haghtanakov, ays tesak zhoghovrdi dem payqarel u haghtanak tanel? Anitsven bolor nranq, um mtqov aydpisi apushutyun kancni!
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Zhoghovrdi u ashxarhi koghmic arhamarvats mekin?
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De aydpes areciq, eli, vor zhoghovrdi arhamarhanqin arzhanacaq, vorovhetev arhamareciq [email protected] - zhoghovrdin.
Vorpes zhoghovrdi nerkayatsutsich kkhndrei im anunic haytararutyunner chaneiq. I miji aylots arden erkrord angam.

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Asum eq "[email protected]"? Duq ayd "amboxi" mej gone gtnvel eq? Gone tesel eq ayd "[email protected]" inch parkesht u kanonavorvats pahvacq uni?
Eghel em. Ev kaskatsi tak dzer [email protected] chdnelov, uzum em pastel, vor tesel em naev "semushka chrtoghner", ev ughaki ban u gorts chunecogh mardkanc, voronq zhamanc en man ekel, ev hagetsrel en irenc tchvtchvalu [email protected] Tesel em lav hagnvats mardkanc, voronq ghekavarum ein tchvtchvatsoghnerin

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Haziv, mi shat xoshor tghamardu mejqic kpats 40 rope charcharveluc heto Ponchikanocic ija Opera.
Isk tchshmarit @nddimakan [email protected] pndum ein, vor hanrahavaqin masnakcel er 7.000 mard.

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Staxosner. Himar chareq, togh dzez havata.
Sa el past che.
[email protected] mnum e ambkh. Lini da @nddimadir, kam ishkhanamet ambokh.

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Isk Dzez het inch xosem, Pascal?
Iskapes. Dzhvar e im het khosel. Es sirum em paster, kirt khosalu unakutyun ev qaghaqakan banavecheri bardzr makardak. Duq arajarkum eq anitsel, dasum eq hakarakordnerin zombiacvatsneri sharqum, ev zhamanak ar zhamanak anum anhimn haytararutyunner zhoghovrdi anunits.

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Dzer u dzer tayfayi gortsuneutyan ardyunqum e vor steghtsvel e ays tsanr [email protected] Hayastani nersum u Hayastani nkatmamb arterkrum.
Sa el past che.

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Um eq satarum? Vor inch? Inchi dimac?
Satarum em kirt @[email protected], verjers @ntrvats nakhagahin ev ayn mardkants, voronq uzum en irenc ashkhatanqov pokhel ays [email protected] depi [email protected]

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Zhoghovrdi anunic, asum eq chxosem? Amen chshmartaci xosq ankax im kamqic zhoghovrdi anunic e stacvelu. Inch, hima ov Dzez chisht ban asi, petq e aseq zhoghovrdi anunic chxoses?
Ay aystegh Duq skhalvum eq. Duq nerkayacnum eq mi tesaket, isk es myus. Ev mer ays [email protected] mtqeri [email protected] Duq pndum eq, vor es skhalvum em. Havanakan e. Bayts im [email protected] Duq chapacuceciq. Isk im harcerin cheq pataskhanum. Hetevabar es karogh em asel, vor Dzer [email protected] aveli khoceli e ev tuyl. Pordzeq apacucel [email protected]


I miji aylots. Erkrod angam kkhndrem pataskhanel hetevyal harcerin:
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2. Vor orenqum e fiksats nakhagayi [email protected] ir entakaneri chapatsutsvats skhalneri/hancanqneri/ayln hamar??
Sa konkret [email protected], ev es [email protected] lsel konkret pataskhan.
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Old 30.04.2003, 15:07   #80
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U tebya shikarnaya poziciya..: dokajite 4to mi ploxie i 4to opoziciya ludshe i 4to ona daje ne prosto ludshe a sdelaet 4toto 4to eto ne sdelala nu i t.d.

I tut je na vse obvineniya utverjdaesh: a gde reshenie suda.!?

klasss..)

Pri etom ti sam priznaesh nesostoyatel'nost' sudejstva .. dumayu 4to i konstitucionij sud vsetaki ti toje pri4eslyaesh k rangu "nedorazumenij" v sudebnix institutax.. (Tak 4'e reshenie ti xo4esh uvidet'..!?)

Kstati : Przidenta Yugoslavii.. Ben Ladena.. Sadama.. i mnogix drug ne sudili do togo kak na4ali ubivat' ix narod... gde bil ix sudebnij verdikt..?!

Gde verdikt po povodu sadeyanogo LTP..? i mnogix drugix jivushix na nashem ugnetenii vo vsex smislax..?!
Da takix kak oni strelyat' nado bilo...
Ili tebe i eto nado dokazivat'..? Videmo ti ne jil v Yerevane kogda u nas nebilo sveta.!? Skol'ko tebe svidetelej nujno ..!? Skaji ya soberu...

A teper' xotite 4tob masi aplodirovalib prixodu vse tex je..!? i ne nadoelo..? Mne li4no nadoelo.. i pust' xren red'ki ne slashe.. no xot' 4toto nado menyat'.. pojmite vi nakonec...
mojet kokras togda i na4nun sudit' vinovnix.. mojet togda i poyavitca uverenost' v zavtroshnem dne u togo kto segodnya ego ne imeet.. Mojet vsetaki na4nem dejstvitel'no rabotat' a ne borotca za svoe kreslo.... mojet kokras togda narodu budet naplevat' kto ix prezident tak kak "vse ravno im budet xorosho".. a ne "vseravno im budet odinakogo xrenovo"..


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Sleduya tvoemu primeru:

Ya xo4u uslishat' otvet:
Mojno li budet s4itat' ob'ektivnim reshenie suda po voprosu togo je Armena Sarqsyana (ili inogo opozzicionera) esli izna4al'no mi priznaem :
1 Zainteresovanost' vlasti v prinyatii resheniya..
2 Otsutsvie elementarnogo sudejskogo instituta (v 4asnosti ee korumpirovanost' i zavisimost' ot instituta vlasti)


I kak sledstvie:

Prixoditca li nam ras4itavat' v dol'nejshem na ob'ektivnie sudi.. i na to 4to lyuboe nakazanie (ili xotyabi bol'shinstvo) budet nakzano vnezavisimosti ot obvinyaemogo...
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Mono jan, mejberum em qo grats [email protected]
"voreve tegh du tesar im koghmic pordz pashtpanelu kam ardaracnelu.??"
"Inchi ek bolord mtatzum te bolor nrank ovker chen uzum Demirchyanin ban u gortz chunen petk e amen gnov pashtpanenk kocharyanin. "
"Yes Kocharyanin pashtpanum em..."
"yes KPASHTPANEM KOCHARYANIN."
Sa toghnum em aranc meknabanutyan.///



Tjisht nkatecir sumbur er im koghmic grvatze. Yes ughaki uzum ei asel vor yes kocharyanin pashtpanum em vorovhetev normal alternativ chem tesnum. Yev im npatake konkret andz Kocharyane pashtpanele che.

Yete asenk Kocharyanic heto ga asenk Tigran Karaetyane kam Ara Abrahamyane vorpes Naxagah yes nranc kpashtpanem bayc kyankums yerbek chem pashtpani Demirchyanin ( myayn yerevi LTP - galu depkum xaxtem xostums ) kani vor hamarum em da aptak hay azgin. Mard vor yerku bar irar chi karogh kapel dnenk Naxagah.


PS. Isk Vazgen Sargsyan masin chhaskaca gratzd. Kani mard e spanvel nra orok. Nkati unem 1990-1999
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Iskapes. Dzhvar e im het khosel.
Djvar e xosel shat xelacineri, demagogneri , mtavor daltonikneri, aroghj datoghuthyunic zurk mardkanc, grpanaxosneri u hamaroren irenc [email protected] qshoghneri het (ete bolorin chnsheci - avelacru ).
Du drancic vorn es ?

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Es sirum em paster, kirt khosalu unakutyun ev qaghaqakan banavecheri bardzr makardak.
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Satarum em kirt @[email protected], verjers @ntrvats nakhagahin ev ayn mardkants, voronq uzum en irenc ashkhatanqov pokhel ays [email protected] depi [email protected]
Ed ovqer en kirt @nddimuthyun ? (konkret nshi anhatnerin u kusakcuthyunnerin )
Karen Serobichi u Hitleri mej zugaherakan es tanum u qez kirt mard es hamarum ?
Grel eir, the ibr iren chsiroghnerin dzerbakalum er Karen [email protected]
Es phaster pahanjeci - chnerkayacrecir, hetevabar bambasanqchi u zrpartutich es, ayn el hay joghovrdi mej mets ser u harganq vayelogh mardu hishatakn es pghtsum, minchder irenc chsiroghnerin dzerbakalogh nerka ishxanuthyunneri koghmnakic es u qez kirt mard es hamarum ?
Thurqakan keghtot qaghaqakanuthyn es sovorel - spitakin sev asel, isk sevin spitak ?
Drsic thurqern en ed [email protected] hay joghovrdi dem ogtagortsum, nersic el qez [email protected]
[email protected] hakarakordi handep en da ogtagortsum, isk du - qo azgi (hetevuthyun ara).

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Pordzeq apacucel [email protected]
Es "kirt" [email protected] adrbejanci Stracker-n er mez het banave&i jamanak shat ogtagortsum, bayc mi angam [email protected] tveci u el chogtagortsec (de vor edqan xelaci es, phorcir gushakel the inch patasxan tveci, kam el phntri forumum).
Hushman karqov :
Ethe du iravabanuthyun imanayir (inchpes phorcum es cucadrel), nman artahaytuthyun cheir ani .

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Vor orenqum e fiksats nakhagayi [email protected] ir entakaneri chapatsutsvats skhalneri/hancanqneri/ayln hamar??
Sa konkret [email protected], ev es [email protected] lsel konkret pataskhan.
Massayakan hancagortsuthyunneri chbacahaytman hamar [email protected] patasxanatu chi ?

De hima porci kirt patasxanner tas.
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2 Pascal:
U tebya shikarnaya poziciya..: dokajite 4to mi ploxie i 4to opoziciya ludshe i 4to ona daje ne prosto ludshe a sdelaet 4toto 4to eto ne sdelala nu i t.d.

I tut je na vse obvineniya utverjdaesh: a gde reshenie suda.!?

klasss..)
Est' takaya vesh', kak prezumpciya nevinovnosti. Dokazyvaet obvinyayushaya storona. Prichem dokazyvaet, a ne goloslovno utverzhdaet.


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Pri etom ti sam priznaesh nesostoyatel'nost' sudejstva .. dumayu 4to i konstitucionij sud vsetaki ti toje pri4eslyaesh k rangu "nedorazumenij" v sudebnix institutax.. (Tak 4'e reshenie ti xo4esh uvidet'..!?)
Izvini, nemnogo ne v temu - sudeystvo v football-e.
A esli po teme - net. ne prichislyayu. Konstitucionniy sud zaslushal storony, i vynes verdikt.

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Kstati : Przidenta Yugoslavii.. Ben Ladena.. Sadama.. i mnogix drug ne sudili do togo kak na4ali ubivat' ix narod... gde bil ix sudebnij verdikt..?!
Nikogo iz nikh ne nachal ubivat' ikh narod. A nasil'stvennoe sverzhenie vlasti - ugolovnoe prestuplenie.

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Gde verdikt po povodu sadeyanogo LTP..? i mnogix drugix jivushix na nashem ugnetenii vo vsex smislax..?!
Da takix kak oni strelyat' nado bilo...
Ili tebe i eto nado dokazivat'..? Videmo ti ne jil v Yerevane kogda u nas nebilo sveta.!? Skol'ko tebe svidetelej nujno ..!? Skaji ya soberu...
Zhil ya v Yerevan v eto vremya.
Podrobnee otvet nizhe.

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Sleduya tvoemu primeru:

Ya xo4u uslishat' otvet:
Mojno li budet s4itat' ob'ektivnim reshenie suda po voprosu togo je Armena Sarqsyana (ili inogo opozzicionera) esli izna4al'no mi priznaem :
1 Zainteresovanost' vlasti v prinyatii resheniya..
2 Otsutsvie elementarnogo sudejskogo instituta (v 4asnosti ee korumpirovanost' i zavisimost' ot instituta vlasti)
Suda nad Armenom Sargsyanom ne bylo. Kogda budem - pogovorim.
A esli vesti razgovor ob oppozicionerakh - to sudili khuliganov. Prichem vse zayavleniya oppozicii, o tom, chto byli narusheniya v sudakh (otsutstvie advokatov, etc.) ne podtverdilis'. Burzhui iz kontory Pitera Aykera prisutstvovali na sudakh. I ni razu ne skazali o tom, chto sudebniy process byl narushen. Oni govorili o tom, chto ne stoit arestovyvat' voobshe. Eto odin razgovor. No i sazhali - to ved' ne na 3 goda, a na 15 sutok. Za khuliganstvo i narushenie obshestvennogo poryadka.
A nashet korrumpirovannosti - ty menya izvini, gde ty videl molodoe gosudarstvo bez korrupcii???


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Prixoditca li nam ras4itavat' v dol'nejshem na ob'ektivnie sudi.. i na to 4to lyuboe nakazanie (ili xotyabi bol'shinstvo) budet nakzano vnezavisimosti ot obvinyaemogo...
Ty stavish vopros, kotoriy mozhet schitat'sya ritoricheskim. IMHO v blizhayshem obozrimom budushem - vryad li. No mne kazhetsya, chto eto zadacha za 7-10 let re****sya.

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Du inqd pndecir, vor im het khosalu ban chunes. Et chlni nor ban arajacav? Te tesnelov Astghiki [email protected] hin verqerd tsavatsin?

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Du drancic vorn es ?
Qez hetaqrqrogh [email protected] gtnvum e Astghiki message-in pataskhani mej. Ushadir eghi.


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Ed ovqer en kirt @nddimuthyun ? [/B](konkret nshi anhatnerin u kusakcuthyunnerin )
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], nuyn [email protected], voronq hangist ev tghamardavari @ndunecin irenc [email protected]

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Karen Serobichi u Hitleri mej zugaherakan es tanum u qez kirt mard es hamarum ?
Grel eir, the ibr iren chsiroghnerin dzerbakalum er Karen [email protected]
Ushadir karda im [email protected] ev pordzi haskanal, vor es tarel em zugaherakan komunistneri (u hima indz chases, vor Demirchyan @ komunist cher) ev Hitleri mej.
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Mne chestno govorya ne kazhetsya, chto Karen Serobych byl takim khoroshim. Stalina tozhe vse lyubili. I Lenina. I Gitlera. Da budet tebe izvestno chto voobshe v totalitarnykh rezhimakh nelyubov' k pravitelyu kak pravilo nakazuema.....
Komunist K.S.Demirchyani oroq datapartvel er [email protected], ev mi khumb ayl andzinq hakakhorhrdakan gortsuneutyan meghadranqov.

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Es phaster pahanjeci - chnerkayacrecir, hetevabar bambasanqchi u zrpartutich es, ayn el hay joghovrdi mej mets ser u harganq vayelogh mardu hishatakn es pghtsum, minchder irenc chsiroghnerin dzerbakalogh nerka ishxanuthyunneri koghmnakic es u qez kirt mard es hamarum ?
Berum em qo message-its hatvats
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Karen [email protected] iren chsirogh ed um e patjel ?
Ur en qo [email protected] ???
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Lav gitem, the dra [email protected] vorn e.
Qez het el xoselu ban chunem.
Du inqd hrazharvecir im het khosaluc. U mek el haytnvecir inch-vor meghadranqnerov. Haskatsi inch es uzum, nor meghadranqner araj ber.

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Thurqakan keghtot qaghaqakanuthyn es sovorel - spitakin sev asel, isk sevin spitak ?
Drsic thurqern en ed [email protected] hay joghovrdi dem ogtagortsum, nersic el qez [email protected]
[email protected] hakarakordi handep en da ogtagortsum, isk du - qo azgi (hetevuthyun ara).
Et chlni du indz el turq hanecir? Hama te khorates es, owl.
Partutyund @ndunir. Ev petq chi lini ardaranal, viravoranqnerov, ev ankap meghadranqnerov.

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Es "kirt" [email protected] adrbejanci Stracker-n er mez het banave&i jamanak shat ogtagortsum, bayc mi angam [email protected] tveci u el chogtagortsec (de vor edqan xelaci es, phorcir gushakel the inch patasxan tveci, kam el phntri forumum).
Hushman karqov :
Ethe du iravabanuthyun imanayir (inchpes phorcum es cucadrel), nman artahaytuthyun cheir ani .
Aha. Tesnenq ur es hasnelu ayspisi temperov? Mi hat el hani indz Adrbejani lrtes, ev verjacru.
Chem gushaki. Voch el man em galu. Ete du ches karogh hangist linel - da qo problemn e voch te im.

Massayakan hancagortsuthyunneri chbacahaytman hamar [email protected] patasxanatu chi ?
Massayakan hancagortsutyun eghel e Osvencimum, Turqiayum, nuyn khorhrdayin miutyunum. Et erb es du tesel Hayastanum massayakan hancagortsutyun???


Barov mnas
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Duq teghyak eq, vor tramabanutyan u banakanutyan [email protected] hnaravor e miayn chshtaxosutyan u aznvutyan depqum?
Kirt lineluc eq xosum.
"Duq arajarkum eq anitsel"- ays sutn e Dzer [email protected]?
"dasum eq hakarakordnerin zombiacvatsneri sharqum" - hakarakordn ov e - Monon? Te Duq?
"Satarum em kirt @[email protected], verjers @NTRVATS nakhagahin " - gone kardacel eq inch eq grel?
"karogh em asel, vor Dzer [email protected] aveli khoceli e ev tuyl" - Astvats im, inchu en ishxanikneri [email protected] aysqan nman azernerin!
Ayn N2 [email protected] konkret harc che, ev aknkalel konkret patasxan ayd tesak harcic Duq cheq karogh. Mi steq.
"Khndrem nerkayatsra "Patahakan" mahatsatsneri [email protected]"
Shat ezhan tatron eq xaghum. [email protected] hetevyaln e. Es tvum em [email protected], vorin Duq arandz indz el qaj teghyak eq (chem zarmana, ete teghyak lineq cucaki miji der kendani mardkanc anunneric el), voric heto Duq (erevakayelov, te tagavorov indz mat eq anum) indz nerkayacnum eq ishxanikneri [email protected] sranc mahi shurj, vorpes "past".
Uremn asem Dzez, "zhoghovrdi nerkayacucich", ayn, inch vor Dzez hamar xagh e u tatron, indz hamar im zhoghovrdi kyanqn e, IM kyanqn e. Ev im kyanqi het xagh anelu iravunq es Dzez chem tvel, voch el tvel em Dzer "@ntrvats" naxagahin, voch el dzer poghoci zhoghvucq tayfayin.
Ays hasarak [email protected] duq haskaceq verjapes u mi bardacreq dzer aranc ayn el tsanr [email protected] Goyutyun unen bnakan erevuytner voronc @[email protected] poxelu [email protected] - arnvazn apushutyun en. Ays [email protected] uni araqelutyun, steghtsats bardzr voraki u karucvacqi mshakuyt, azgayin bnavorutyun, npatakner, gaghapar, skzbunqner, inqnapashtpanakan bnuyti stereotipner, voronc Dzer satarats [email protected] voch mi ketov chen hamapatasxanum. Duq infekcvats push eq zhoghovrdi marmni mej, u entaka eq qoqic ktrvelu - kam zhoghovrdi dzerqov, kam bnutyan. Sharunakeq nuyn vogov - vorqan arag zargana borboqman @[email protected], aynqan arag kga [email protected]
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Mono jan,
"Yes ughaki uzum ei asel vor yes kocharyanin pashtpanum em vorovhetev normal alternativ chem tesnum. " - haskaca. Es el alternativneric hiacats chem. Bayc du el haskacir, vor ete [email protected] aydqan anshnorhq chgtnver, miqich orenq chanacher, miqich el hayrenaser liner - na kaner amen inch ayd alternativneri [email protected] @ntroghnerin talu hamar. Bayc [email protected] (kam nra [email protected]) im xorin hamozmamb, pogroqi, azgayin gaghaparic zurk araratsner en. Ayn eghats @nddimutyann el en uzum veracnel. Aydpes veracnelov ur khasni? Du inchpes es satarum mekin, [email protected] anmijakan vnas e talis qo erkri qaghaqakan makardaki [email protected]? Normal, [email protected] glxin hay [email protected] partavor e voch miayn hashvi nstel @nddimutyan het, hargel ayn, ayl ev hamagortsakcel azgayin anvtangutyan nshanakutyun unecogh harcerum. Normal @nddimutyunn el partavor e gtnel u qnnadatel tekuz ev shat xist naxagahi [email protected] Ete da @[email protected] chani, ho naxagahi [email protected] chi anelu? Menq iravunq chunenq moranalu, vor shrjapatvats enq tshnami, kam kaslatseli havatarmutyun unecogh harevannerov. Menq gntvum enq ashxarhaqaghaqakan chapazanc karevor u vtangavor dirqum. Menq iravunq chunenq profanner unenalu [email protected] Mer ishxanutyunneri pahvatsqi mej voch miayn staxosutyan tegh chpetq e lini, ayl ev staxosutyan heravor aknarki. Es inch e Hayastani [email protected]? Es inch makardak en sargel - ba amot chi? To iski vor vtangavor el chliner Hayastani kyanqi hamar ays [email protected], arzhanapatvutyan tesaketic miayn vor nayenq ays harcin - sa tanelu xaytarakutyun e? Ahsxarhi hzaroaguyn erkri [email protected], ashxarhi dirizher erkri [email protected] irenc bacahayt [email protected] cucadrecin Hayoc Petutyan suti nerkayacucich qocharyanin - sa inchpes e andradarnalu Hayastani anvtangutyan harcerin - @ntrutyand hamar patasxanatu es?
Mi hat qocharyani nshanakats kadreri mrtin nayir - vonc es dranc @ntrel? Miayn en ardaradatutyan [email protected] inch arzhe! Dra demqin nayelis sirts xarnum e. Iski mi kargin hay el che da. [email protected] ztaryun hrea, inqnaspan eghats (lusamutic netvel e durs), [email protected] kisaslavon - kisahay. Inchu e ayd tesak pashtoni qo [email protected] ayd tesak mardu nshanakel? Maqur [email protected] merel ein? Hayastani petakan [email protected] armatneric u @ntaniqic sksats petq e hamapatasxanen irenc dirqin. Es inchu petq e vstahem ayd kargi qocharyanakan kadrerin? Partavor chem u chem vstahum.
Myus kadreri masin el asem? Serzhikic, orinak? Te inqd glxi knknes?
Qaghaqakan spanutyunneri harcum Qocharyani [email protected] gerazancel e boloris koghmic atvats LTP-i [email protected] Tvel chtas zoherin. Inqd hashvir. Indz hamar antaneli e baroyapes ays [email protected] krkin verhishel...

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Astghik

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Mono jan, mejberum em qo grats [email protected]
"voreve tegh du tesar im koghmic pordz pashtpanelu kam ardaracnelu.??"
"Inchi ek bolord mtatzum te bolor nrank ovker chen uzum Demirchyanin ban u gortz chunen petk e amen gnov pashtpanenk kocharyanin. "
"Yes Kocharyanin pashtpanum em..."
"yes KPASHTPANEM KOCHARYANIN."
Sa toghnum em aranc meknabanutyan.///



Tjisht nkatecir sumbur er im koghmic grvatze.
Pascal, nkateq, ays Monoyi cucaberats tghamardkutyunic Duq zurk eq. Sra hamar el Dzez het [email protected] anhetaqrqir e u animast.
Voch te dzhvar, inchpes erevakayum eiq.
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MY RESPECT!!!
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sksenq erevi ayn harcic, vori [email protected] Duq chtveciq.
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2. Vor orenqum e fiksats nakhagayi [email protected] ir entakaneri chapatsutsvats skhalneri/hancanqneri/ayln hamar??
Sa konkret [email protected], ev es [email protected] lsel konkret pataskhan.

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Pascalin.
Duq teghyak eq, vor tramabanutyan u banakanutyan [email protected] hnaravor e miayn chshtaxosutyan u aznvutyan depqum?
Kirt lineluc eq xosum.
"Duq arajarkum eq anitsel"- ays sutn e Dzer [email protected]?
sa Dzer [email protected] chen?
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Anitsven bolor nranq, um mtqov aydpisi apushutyun kancni!
[email protected] Duq eq Astghik. Nakhord postum es berel em 3 te 4 qaghvatsq Dzer isk grats bareric, voronc masin meghm asel em, te dranq past chen. Isk hima Duq eq indz asum stakhos? Pordzeq azatvel droshm khpelu sovorutyunits. Da dzhvar eb bayts iragortseli.

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"dasum eq hakarakordnerin zombiacvatsneri sharqum" - hakarakordn ov e - Monon? Te Duq?
Inchi menka es ka Monon? Ete mard chi kisum Dzer mtatselakerpn u [email protected] inq kam stakhos e kak zombiatsvats. @st Dzez menq aprum enq mi erkrum, ur 67.5 % zombiatsvatsner arit en talis Dzez lacakumac baner khosel zhoghovrdi anunic? Cheq pordzel mtaberel [email protected]? 32.5% - i chuzoghutyunn e, vor aysor hanum e mardkants poghots, ev iskapes khelatsi mardkanc mghum irar dem.

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"Satarum em kirt @[email protected], verjers @NTRVATS nakhagahin " - gone kardacel eq inch eq grel?
Kardaci mi angam el. Bacem Dzez mi gaghtniq, nuynisk "taqaryun ari" [email protected] haskatsav im [email protected]

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"karogh em asel, vor Dzer [email protected] aveli khoceli e ev tuyl" - Astvats im, inchu en ishxanikneri [email protected] aysqan nman azernerin!
Erb vor Dzer mot verjanum en [email protected] Duq ancnum eq viravoranqneri. Ev dranits heto zarmanum, te inchi en Dzer [email protected] datapartvats vorpes poghocayin khuliganner???

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Ayn N2 [email protected] konkret harc che, ev aknkalel konkret patasxan ayd tesak harcic Duq cheq karogh. Mi steq.
Gutse stakhosutyans apacuceq aveli matcheli dzevov? Te da hertakan droshmn e?

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"Khndrem nerkayatsra "Patahakan" mahatsatsneri [email protected]"
Shat ezhan tatron eq xaghum. [email protected] hetevyaln e. Es tvum em [email protected], vorin Duq arandz indz el qaj teghyak eq (chem zarmana, ete teghyak lineq cucaki miji der kendani mardkanc anunneric el), voric heto Duq (erevakayelov, te tagavorov indz mat eq anum) indz nerkayacnum eq ishxanikneri [email protected] sranc mahi shurj, vorpes "past".
Voch. Es chem nerkayatsni varkatsner. Es knerkayatsnem meghadrakan voroshumner, voronq ancnelu en dataran. Duq henc ayd patcharov cheq tvum ayd [email protected] Shat lav imanalov, vor Dzer uzatsin cheq hasni.

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Uremn asem Dzez, "zhoghovrdi nerkayacucich", ayn, inch vor Dzez hamar xagh e u tatron, indz hamar im zhoghovrdi kyanqn e, IM kyanqn e.
Dzer [email protected] indz iskapes hrapurec. Inch giteq inch e im hamar khagh u tatron? Dzer anhimn [email protected] indz tsitsaghacnum en. Sharunakeq - da iskapes urakh e.

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Ev im kyanqi het xagh anelu iravunq es Dzez chem tvel, voch el tvel em Dzer "@ntrvats" naxagahin, voch el dzer poghoci zhoghvucq tayfayin.
Khndrem bereq past, erb es kam [email protected] khaghacel e andzamb Dzer kyanqi het.

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Ays hasarak [email protected] duq haskaceq verjapes u mi bardacreq dzer aranc ayn el tsanr [email protected] Goyutyun unen bnakan erevuytner voronc @[email protected] poxelu [email protected] - arnvazn apushutyun en. Ays [email protected] uni araqelutyun, steghtsats bardzr voraki u karucvacqi mshakuyt, azgayin bnavorutyun, npatakner, gaghapar, skzbunqner, inqnapashtpanakan bnuyti stereotipner, voronc Dzer satarats [email protected] voch mi ketov chen hamapatasxanum. Duq infekcvats push eq zhoghovrdi marmni mej, u entaka eq qoqic ktrvelu - kam zhoghovrdi dzerqov, kam bnutyan. Sharunakeq nuyn vogov - vorqan arag zargana borboqman @[email protected], aynqan arag kga [email protected]
Dze chi tvum, vor indz armatakhil anelov, Duq kavelacheq anmegh spanvatsneri [email protected]
Ays Dzer [email protected] kochvum e brnutyan sparnalaiq. Kdimei dataran, bayts hogekan khangarum unecogh mardkanc chen datum. Gnaceq bzhshki. Na Dzez kogni.

Maghtum em Dzez qaj Aroghjutyun

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Harcer talis es kanxatesel ei naev patasxannerd (da djvar cher ), baci Astghiki gratsnerin hghumner [email protected]
Es aselu ban unei u dra hamar el indz petq ein qo kanxateseli [email protected]
Isk ay du chkanxatesecir da u zguysh cheghar patasxannerid mej.
Sa primitiv thurqakan "nedativ" [email protected] chi, u du dran ches tirapeti miayn ayn pat&arov, vor npatakd andzi pashtpaneln e. [email protected] sovorecnum e, vor ujegh payqarel en karoghanum azniv npatakner [email protected] (dranum e kayanum hay joghovrdi [email protected]).
Ethe aysor erku koghmn el partvel en, hanun ankeghtsuthyan petq e asem, vor @[email protected] chkaroghacav nergravel hmut u banimac anhatneri u ogtvec himnakanum joghovrdi fizikakan ajakcuthyunic, chnkatelov verjinis mej kutakvats qaghaqakan mtavor [email protected] (xosqeris hamar patasxanatu em ).
Isk hima andradarnam patasxannerid.

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Du inqd pndecir, vor im het khosalu ban chunes. Et chlni nor ban arajacav? Te tesnelov Astghiki [email protected] hin verqerd tsavatsin?
Ayo, chuzeci, bayc enthadruthyunnerd thogh qez u staci im [email protected] :

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Iskapes. Dzhvar e im het khosel.
Qani vor es hrajarvel ei qez het xosel, nman @ndhanrakan [email protected] indz ughghvats enthateqst uner (ankax nranic, du da cankanum eir vor lini, the voch).

2.Karen Serobichi bari [email protected] votnaharelov du miayn indz chviravorecir, ayl nra mterimnerin, harazatnerin u joghovrdi mot 80% - in.
Ankax im xoselu cankuthyunic, du partavor eir bacatruthyun tal @nthercoghnerin, ethe iroq kirth mard lineir.

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Qez hetaqrqrogh [email protected] gtnvum e Astghiki message-in pataskhani mej. Ushadir eghi.
Arden gta . Thanks !

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Ushadir karda im [email protected] ev pordzi haskanal, vor es tarel em zugaherakan komunistneri (u hima indz chases, vor Demirchyan @ komunist cher) ev Hitleri mej.
Mi hat el du karda u mtqid @nthacqin ushadir egir.

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Komunist K.S.Demirchyani oroq datapartvel er [email protected], ev mi khumb ayl andzinq hakakhorhrdakan gortsuneutyan meghadranqov.
Noric iravakan anteghyakuthyun !
Ayn jamanak ughghakioren miayn Moskvayin entharkvogh KGB - n er zbaghvum nman harcerov, isk Demirchyani oroq qaghaghakan [email protected] urish hanrapetuthyunneri hamemat anhamemat qich e eghel (metserin harcru u kimanas, vor nman erevuytner hamarya chein nkatvum ).
Isk aysor, erb voghj [email protected] Qocharyani dzerqin e, qaghaqakan [email protected] (erani the miayn hetapndumner linein) du ches uzum tesnel u satarum es nran.
Nra koghqi naxkin komunistnrin, isk hetagayum HHSH-akannerin inchu ches qnnadatum ?
[email protected] ayd shrjanum inch ashxatanqi er (vorpes nra koghmnakic, du da petq e lav imanas) ?
Isk [email protected] dava&anec joghovrdin u nerkayums joghovrdi ateluthyann e arjanacel u qaghaqakan diak e dardzel.
Naxkin xorhrdaranakan @ntruthyunnerum nra [email protected] asatsis apacuycn e.
Huys unem vor na ankaxuthyan oroq el knsti, erb ankax dataran unenanq.
Joghovrdin henc aynpes chen dava&anum.

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Et chlni du indz el turq hanecir? Hama te khorates es, owl.
Partutyund @ndunir. Ev petq chi lini ardaranal, viravoranqnerov, ev ankap meghadranqnerov
Es cuyc tvi qo banave&i taktikan (da vorthegrel en bolor bacahayt [email protected]).
Ethe viravorakan e, uremn hrajarvir ayd taktikayic, [email protected] miak dzevn e anazniv npatakner unecoghneri hamar u harir che hay mardun, qanzi [email protected] anazniv npatakner chuni u [email protected] gluxn i ver nerkayacnelu kariq el chuni.
[email protected] lok goyapayqar e mghum, [email protected] nerqin qaghaqakan dasht e teghaphoxvel.
Inch verabervum e partvelun, apa aystegh el negativ artahaytuthun arecir :

1. [email protected] 10 tarva qaghaqaciuthyun chuni u 10 tari chi bnakvel hayastanum, hetevabar orinakan naxagah linel chi karogh, isk datakan [email protected], hamadzayn HH Sahmanadrythyan (joghovrdavaruthyan mijazgajin skzbunqnerin, Sahmanadruthyan #1,#2,#5 hodvatsnerin u hrchakagri pahanjnerin hakasoghketeri #55 hodvatsi 9); 10); 11) iravakan uj chunecogh keteri (hamadzayn Sahmanadruthyan #6 hodvatsi iravakan tramabanuthyan u HH Hrchakagri), gtnvum e naxagahi verahskoghuthyan tak, hetevabar datakan kargov naxagahin voch dzerntu harceri lutsum talu qo [email protected] iravakan anteghyakuthyan ardyunq e (husov em vor anteghyakuthyan ardyunq e, the che aveli vat enthadruthyun e mnum anel).
Es kanxateseci qo ardzaganq@ u hnaravorins hakir& patasxaneci.

2. Sahmanadrakan [email protected] ir voroshman mej vstahuthyan hanraqvei harc e drel, [email protected] parz lezvov asats - anvstahuthyun e haytnel @ntruthyunneri handep.
Sahmanadruthyamb (hodvatsner #94;#95;#55/10) ev gortsnakanum gerishxanuthyun unecogh naxagahi @ntruthyan handep nman [email protected] cankacats aroghj tramabanuthyun unecogh u obektiv mtatsogh mardu hamar [/b]@ntruthyunneri anorinakanuthyan u ishxanuthyan brnazavthman apacuyc e, [email protected] hancagortsuthyun e (Sahm. hodvats #2).
Ayd du petq e &anaches Qocharyani [email protected], qanzi [email protected] kgna kortsanman, ete [email protected] chi vayelum joghovrdi irakan [email protected]
[email protected] apacuyc en anvstahuthyan, dra hamar el amen gnov [email protected] ayn varkabekelu anhajogh porcer en anum. Isk anorinakan dzerbakaluthyunnerov porcum en ahabekel joghovrdin, vor hanrahavaqneri vaxenan gnal u anvstahuthyan [email protected] thaqcnen.
Noric amen inch thars es nerkayacnum.

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Massayakan hancagortsutyun eghel e Osvencimum, Turqiayum, nuyn khorhrdayin miutyunum. Et erb es du tesel Hayastanum massayakan hancagortsutyun???
Isk vstahvats andzeri handep [email protected] ?
Hanrahavaqic [email protected] u aranc phastabani nerkayuthyan gisherov hratap [email protected] ?(ayd [email protected] Sahmanadrakan datarann el e nshel).
Poghos Poghosyani [email protected] mardkanc achqi araj ?
[email protected] mek-mek nshem?
Therther ches kardum ?
Du Hayastanum ches aprum?

Du evs mek agam apacucecir vor inch shahavet e Qocharyanin qez hamar &isht e, [email protected] - sxal, ankax irakanuthyanic, [email protected] patmakan ancyalum che, ayl mer achqeri araj e teghi unenum.

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Ed ovqer en kirt @nddimuthyun ? [/B](konkret nshi anhatnerin u kusakcuthyunnerin )

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[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], nuyn [email protected], voronq hangist ev tghamardavari @ndunecin irenc [email protected]
Henc ayd azganunnern el aknkalum ei lsel ( miayn kusakcucyunnerin moracar thvarkel ).
Es harcreci, the ovqer en kirth @[email protected], ayl voch the keghts @[email protected], kam el troyakan [email protected] ( sa shat bard harc e, u im [email protected] qaghaqakan nkatarumnerov hraparakayin chem nerkayacni, hetevabar karogh es @ndunel vorpes subektiv andznakan kartsiq ).

PS: Chmoranas, vor iravakan [email protected] enthadrum en miayn iravakan hakaphastark, ete aydpisin goyuthyun uni, isk cankacats ayl patasxan himnavorumneri [email protected] kapacuci.
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