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Old 01.05.2003, 18:37   #91
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Chmoranas, vor iravakan himnavorumner@ enthadrum en miayn iravakan hakaphastark,
owl jan, ay ete skzbits mer banavej@ ancner ays kargakhosov apa ayn aveli ardyunavet kliner.
Sksenq norits.

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Patmuthyun@ sovorecnum e, vor ujegh payqarel en karoghanum azniv npatakner unecoghner@ (dranum e kayanum hay joghovrdi uj@).
Sa kaskatseli pndum e. Azniv npatak@ aynpisi subyektiv haskatsutyun e, vor mi qich dzhvar e gtnel mez erkusis bavararogh pastarkner.

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Ethe aysor erku koghmn el partvel en, hanun ankeghtsuthyan petq e asem, vor @nddimuthyun@ chkaroghacav nergravel hmut u banimac anhatneri u ogtvec himnakanum joghovrdi fizikakan ajakcuthyunic, chnkatelov verjinis mej kutakvats qaghaqakan mtavor potencial@ (xosqeris hamar patasxanatu em ).
Isk hima andradarnam patasxannerid.
Es kavelacnei vorosh liderneri ughaki ahkarg pahvatsq@, bayts da karevor che. Hamadzain em.

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Qani vor es hrajarvel ei qez het xosel, nman @ndhanrakan artahaytuthyun@ indz ughghvats enthateqst uner (ankax nranic, du da cankanum eir vor lini, the voch).
Es ayd entateqst@ chem nakhatesel, ayd khosqer@ grelov. Ughaki Astghik@ shat anham haytararutyunner e anum... Qoqahan anel@ vors e?

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2.Karen Serobichi bari hambav@ votnaharelov du miayn indz chviravorecir, ayl nra mterimnerin, harazatnerin u joghovrdi mot 80% - in.
Ankax im xoselu cankuthyunic, du partavor eir bacatruthyun tal @nthercoghnerin, ethe iroq kirth mard lineir.
Bari hambav haskatsutyun@ - shat haraberakan e. Zaven Grigoryani hamar Stalin@ uni bari hambav ev nra koghmits @ndunvum e vorpes azgi prkich. Im koghmits Stalin@ @ndunvum e vorpes aryunakhum mi brnapet. Es hargum em Zaveni kartsiq@, ev husov em, vor na el e hargum im@. Ete du im kartsiq@ @ndunum es vorpes andznakan viravoranq, ap vstahetsnum em qez, vor nuynisk mitq chunei viravorel andzamb qez, kam inch-vor mekin. Aveli kokret ays harci shoshapum@ mi qich ush.

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Noric iravakan anteghyakuthyun !
Ayn jamanak ughghakioren miayn Moskvayin entharkvogh KGB - n er zbaghvum nman harcerov, isk Demirchyani oroq qaghaghakan bantarkyalner@ urish hanrapetuthyunneri hamemat anhamemat qich e eghel (metserin harcru u kimanas, vor nman erevuytner hamarya chein nkatvum ).
KD(Karen Demirchyan@) Moskavayi koghmits nshanakats ev nranc havanutyun@ statsats mi andz er. Komunist. Mard, vori mtatselakerp@ cher tesnum urish qaghaqakan kartsiqi arkayutyun. Inchqan es haskatsa Du indzanits mets es tariqov: mi te ches hishum qani kusakcutyun kar ayn zhamanak? Ev ayd isk patcharov es hamarum em nran vorpes mets brnapetakan petutyan nahangi (Hayastani) nahangapet. Ev arden karevor che da Moskvayi KGB-n er arel, kam haykakan. Pastn ayn e, vor ayd mardu ghekavarutyan oroq brnutyan en entarkvel mardiq irenc "ubezhdeniya" - neri (hayeren targmanutyun@ chem hishum) hamar. Ev aydpisi qaghaqakanutyan ghekavar@, ev ayd qaghaqakanutyan irakanatsnoghneri glkhum kangnats er henc inq@ ` KD-n.

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Isk aysor, erb voghj ishxanuthyun@ Qocharyani dzerqin e, qaghaqakan hetapndumner@ (erani the miayn hetapndumner linein) du ches uzum tesnel u satarum es nran.
Gites, es chem karogh moranal qandats RK (Robert Kocharyan) nakh@ntrakan shtab@. Ev Aram Karapetyani "inch vor mi ban tap tal@". Ev Aram Z. Sargsyani koch@ hramanatarnerin` chkatarel hramanner@. Es hamarum em @nddimutyan amenamets skhal@ ayn, vor ishkhanutyun@ ev im nman ishkhanametner@ hnaravorutyun unecan khuliganneri droshm khpel @nddimadirnerin. Mi te dzhvar er vrndel arevatsaghik vacharoghnerin mitingnerits? Mi te dzhvar er @nddimadir mardkants bazmutyan@ chkochel ishkhanutyan dem brni gortsoghutyuneri?

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Nra koghqi naxkin komunistnrin, isk hetagayum HHSH-akannerin inchu ches qnnadatum ?
Qocharyan@ ayd shrjanum inch ashxatanqi er (vorpes nra koghmnakic, du da petq e lav imanas) ?
Isk Hayrikyan@ dava&anec joghovrdin u nerkayums joghovrdi ateluthyann e arjanacel u qaghaqakan diak e dardzel. Naxkin xorhrdaranakan @ntruthyunnerum nra partuthyun@ asatsis apacuycn e.
Huys unem vor na ankaxuthyan oroq el knsti, erb ankax dataran unenanq.
Joghovrdin henc aynpes chen dava&anum.
Inchqanov es hishum em inq@ inch-vor mi gortsarani komeritmiakan liderner. (konkret khosk@ chem hishum).

Qani vor, Hayrikyan@ indz aynqan el hetaqrqir chi, toghnenq iren hangist. Mard e inch-vor mi banov zbaghvum e. Es ughaki iren arajin@ hisheci, vorpes hakakhorhrdakan hodvatsov datvats.
Erkrord hishataks Minasi spanutyunn er, bayts ayntegh iravakan apacuyc berel chem karogh, hetevabar, vorpes past ayd orinak@ chem berel.

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Es cuyc tvi qo banave&i taktikan (da vorthegrel en bolor bacahayt isxanametner@).
Ethe viravorakan e, uremn hrajarvir ayd taktikayic, vor@ miak dzevn e anazniv npatakner unecoghneri hamar u harir che hay mardun, qanzi hay@ anazniv npatakner chuni u irakanuthyun@ gluxn i ver nerkayacnelu kariq el chuni.
owl, erb vor es asum em kirt banavej, es haskanum em, vor mardun turq chen anvanum, chen arajarkum qoqic ktrel, ev ayln. Es himnakanum khosum em qaghaqakan temanerits. Du tesel es politics bazhin@, vori moderatorn em es. Tesel es ardyoq, gone mi depq, erb es mekin turqi het hamematem, kam arajarkem qoqahan anel?
owl, ete du uzum es chveratses, banavaej@ (inch@ pordz e tchshmartutyun gtnel) bazari` mi viravori opponentin.

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1. Qocharyan@ 10 tarva qaghaqaciuthyun chuni u 10 tari chi bnakvel hayastanum,
Qani vor Hayastan@ Evropayi Khoprhrdi andam e, apa ayn @ndunel Evropakan Mardu Iravunqneri Datarani lutsumner@ irakanatsnelu partavorutyun@. Ete qo kartsiqov teghi e unecel nakhatesats, kam voch nakhatesats datakan skhal - apa petq e dimel ayntegh. I miji aylots verjers teghi en unecel mi sharq hetaqrqir lutsumner, rusastanin veraberogh gortserum. Es arajarkum em @nddimakannerin dimel ayntegh.

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2. Sahmanadrakan dataran@ ir voroshman mej vstahuthyan hanraqvei harc e drel, vor@ parz lezvov asats - anvstahuthyun e haytnel @ntruthyunneri handep.
Sa im pataskhann e Arikin, vor@ @st erevuyti es bolor bazarneri mej aynqanel ushadrutyun chi gravum.
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Poziciyu konstitucionnogo suda ochen' chetko poyasnil G.Harutyunyan. Vo-pervykh - ne prizval, a porekomendoval v spornykh sluchayakh ispol'zovat' mekhanizm referenduma. Vo-vtorykh obyasnil, chto reshenie suda yasno i ponyatno: zayavlenie istca otkloneno. V-tretyikh osudil vsekh tekh analitikov i zhurnalistov, kotorye pytayutsya politizirovat' deystviya KS.
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@ntruthyan handep nman voroshum@ cankacats aroghj tramabanuthyun unecogh u obektiv mtatsogh mardu hamar [/b]@ntruthyunneri anorinakanuthyan u ishxanuthyan brnazavthman apacuyc e, vor@ hancagortsuthyun e (Sahm. hodvats #2).
Ayd voroshum@ uni 2 mas. Voroshum ev arajark.
Voroshumn ayn e, vor chi popokhvel arajin atyani datarani voroshum@, vor@ haytnel e, vor eghats khakhtumner@ chein karogh azdel @ntrutyunneri ardyunqneri vra.
Arajark@ nranum er, vor "khelqi berel" sahmanadrutyunum eghats hanraqvei mekhanizm@, vor tsankatsats socialakan khtrakanutyun arajacnogh harc lutsvi henc ayd mekhanizmov.

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Isk vstahvats andzeri handep votndzguthyunner@ ?
Hanrahavaqic mardavors@ u aranc phastabani nerkayuthyan gisherov hratap dater@ ?(ayd anorinakanuthyunner@ Sahmanadrakan datarann el e nshel).
Sahmanadrakan Dataran@ naev nshel e keghts vkayakanneri arkayutyun SD-i vstahvats andzeri dzerqin.
Ev shat angam keghts boghoqner. Che vor nerkayatsrats boghoqneri miayn 1/3 - e apacucvel (134-ic 40@).
BTW du gites mi aghbyur, vortegh tpvel e ayd voroshum@??? Nakh@treli e Internetum.

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Poghos Poghosyani spanuthyun@ mardkanc achqi araj ?
Bolor@ mek-mek nshem?
Therther ches kardum ?
Du Hayastanum ches aprum?
Ayd spanutyan depqum ka datapartvats.
Isk mnatsats@.....
Gites ete kardas Aravot kam Orran, apa kstatsvi, vor amen inch ahavor vat e. Isk ete Hayastani hanrapetutyun ev Hayots Ashkhar, vor amen inch lav. Im kartsiqov tchshmartutyun@ mejteghn e....

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Du evs mek agam apacucecir vor inch shahavet e Qocharyanin qez hamar &isht e, hakarak@ - sxal, ankax irakanuthyanic, vor@ patmakan ancyalum che, ayl mer achqeri araj e teghi unenum.
Es gitem mi standart. Vor@ kochvum e "prezumpcia nevinovnosti". @st vori meghadrogh koghm@ petq e apacuci hancanq@. Meghadrogh@ duq eq (@nddimakanner@). Pashtpan@ es. Es der apacuyc chtesa.

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Henc ayd azganunnern el aknkalum ei lsel ( miayn kusakcucyunnerin moracar thvarkel ).
Es harcreci, the ovqer en kirth @nddimadirner@, ayl voch the keghts @nddimadirner@, kam el troyakan dzier@ ( sa shat bard harc e, u im phastarkner@ qaghaqakan nkatarumnerov hraparakayin chem nerkayacni, hetevabar karogh es @ndunel vorpes subektiv andznakan kartsiq ).
Karogh e toyakan dzier ein, karogh e davatjanner. Bayts Es chem karogh pndel, vor irenq arel en gone mek koch, vor@ es lsel em A.Bazeyani, A.Z.Sargsyani kam A.Karapetyani koghmits. BTW aydpisi kocher es chem ldes nev SD-its.


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Old 01.05.2003, 18:42   #92
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Ari mi qich kartj grenq erkuss el - kardalu ev pataskhanelu zhamanak chi mnum....
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///Um eq satarum? Zhoghovrdi u ashxarhi koghmic arhamarvats mekin? ////


Uremn ayn bolor mardik voronk kvearkel en Kocharyani ogtin joghovurd chen???
Meke mi xosk asatz mi angam durs yekav. Yerkrner kan vortegh totalitar
ishxanutyun e, isk mer yerkrum totalitar enddimutyun e. Aysinkn bolor nrank
ovker irenc pes chen mtatzum joghovurd chen hay chen u voobshe mard chen ayl
hancagortzner kam lavaguyn depkum zombiner.


Inch verabervum e ashxarhi satarel chsatarelun, apa eli noric nuyn harcn e

Kocharyanin __chpashtpanecin__ nerkayis ashxarhi yerku hancavor rejimnere
yev nranc kamakatarnere. Nkati unem hancagortz Bushin yev nra vassal Blairin
vore tkatz uner demokratyai yev endanrapes ir joghovrdi 95 %-i kartziki vra.

Kocharyanin pashtpanec Rusastane, Fransian, Germanian, yev nranc
dashnakicnere, Chinastane yev mer ariaci yeghbarner hndiknere u parsiknere.

Astghik kartzum em ays mi paste gone bolor hakakocharyanakannerin petk e
cuyc ta te um propagandistakan azdecutyan tak en nrank gtvum.

PS. Mi hat xndrank . Du karogh es asel hikt 27-i het kapvatz kani mard e
merel ???
Yes orinak mi depk em hishum. Ayn el yeghel Aram Sargsyani varchapet linelu
orok.


PPS. Nayev yete asum es vor kocharyane hayrenaser chi apa inchu er krvum
Karabaghum?? Karogh er che entanikin ugharker artasahman inkn er mi yerku
ban paxcner u hetnere gnar ??

AreQ

Dodi Gagon inchkan gitem tzaxum e lickavorman gaz. Hayastanum Gazi partke
aradjanum e amenashate elcancic yev Nayiritic yev voch te ed lickavorman
kayanneric. Aynpes vor chem kartzum vor Dodi Gagon inch vor meghk uni gazi
partk aradjanalu medj. Meghk uni elcance vortegh tarekan 50 million dollar e
goghacvum.

I dep Serjin nuynpes lakot chi kareli hamarel, bayc inchu nra masin
tvyalner kan isk Kocharyani masin chka.
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"Uremn ayn bolor mardik voronk kvearkel en Kocharyani ogtin joghovurd chen???"
Ayo, cavoq zhoghovrdi mi chnchin masn en, Mono jan. Shat chnchin - te qanakov te vorakov. Inchu vorakov el? Vorovhetev zurk en azgayin inqnagitakcutyunic, vorovhetev kyanqum voch mi ej chen kardacel sepakan zhohgovrdi patmutyunic kam Nzhdehic. Kam el qez nman zombiner en. Teev patrast em xostovanel, vor du ezaki u hatuk zombi es. Da zhoghovrdi ayn metsamtutyamb tarapogh masn e, himnakanum ayn rusakan krtutyamb zarg@catsner@, vorn hamarum e, vor zhoghovurdn apush e u hetamnac, ban chi haskanum "qaghaqakanutyunic". Ayd masin metsamit u hivandagin artahaytuytunner sharunak lsel em qocharyanakanneric. Nayev dashnaknern en, nayev baqvahayeri u gharabaghcineri Hayastanum bnakvogh mi mas@. Aysinqn dranq zhoghovrdi ayn masn en, voronq arnvazn mi serund (himnakanum avel) aprel en otarutyan mej, kam otari ltsi tak, ev bnakan e, vor dranc azgayin inqnagitakcutyun@ popoxutyunneri e entarkvel, dardzel e sahmanapak u miakoghmani. Azgayin shaheri kompleks, sistemayin @mbrnumic ayd mardik im xorin hamozmamb zurk en.

"Yerkrner kan vortegh totalitar
ishxanutyun e, isk mer yerkrum totalitar enddimutyun e."
Mer erkrum totalitar ishxanutyun e ev total @nddimutyun.

"Kocharyanin pashtpanec Rusastane, Fransian, Germanian, yev nranc
dashnakicnere, Chinastane yev mer ariaci yeghbarner hndiknere u parsiknere."
Vorqan romantizm u mankakan havat depi Evropa ev "ariaci eghbayrner"! Ur ein qo ariaci eghbayrner@ erb Hayastan@ aryan mej korats er?
Bacir EAHK-i ditortakan araqelutyan verjnakan zekuyc@ karda Hayastani @ntrutyunneri masin, vor@ hratarakvel e 2 or araj. motavorapes erku shabat araj er, vor Ervroxorhrdi zhoghovneric mekum pashtonapes haytararutyun arvec (axar cheq hetevum norutyunnerin, miayn erazelov eq zbaghvats!), vor ete xorhrdaranakan @ntrutyunner@ Hayastanum teghi unenan voch te ardar, ayl nuyn keghtsiqnerov u anorinakanutyunnerov inchpes naxagahakani zhamank - apa DA HAYASTANI HAMAR KUNENA AGHETALI HETEVAQNNER.
Mono jan, naivutyun e u anpatasxanatvutyun e kartsel, te ayd erkrner@ qocharyanin shnorhavorelis hetapndel en Hayastani shaher@ ev eghel en ardarutyan koghmnakic. Nranq hetapndel en IRENC erkrneri shaher@. Hatkapes Rusastan@, vorin Qocharyan@ "guyq partqi dimac" szkbunqov vacharec Hayastani hamar anvtangutyan nshanakutyun unecogh ob'ektner@ ev, amenayn havanakanutyamb, der eli kvachari ayn qich baner@, voronq mnacel en der mer petutyan iravasutyan tak. Rusastani ishxanutyunner@ Qocharyanin pashtpanelis rus zhoghovrdi shaher@ pashtpanecin, voch te hay, u aydqanov irenq xelaci en u hayrenaser. Isk Qocharyan@ voch te hay zhoghovrdi shahern e pashtpanum, ayl IR.
Inch verbervum e Nahangnerin u Britaniayin. Nranq inchi himan vra sksecin ayspes arhamarhel qocharyanin? Massayakan keghtsiqneri. Togh himq chtar, nranq el himq chunenayin arhamarhelu. Hima aysor vor ayd petutyunner@ irenc pahvacqov ughakioren haytararum en, vor qocharyan@ legitim che, mat en tap talis vran, hetaga haraberutyunner@ karogh e piti drakan andradarnan Hayastani vra? Vonc e qocharyan@ dranc het ashxatelu - mtatsel es? Te piti kotoshners tnkenq u ignor anenq ashxarhin? Inqd es asum, che, vor qocharyan@ mi bari ptugh che? Ba vor iski mi ban el che, dra hamar arzhe kotosh cuyc tal ashxarhin? Vor sksen kotoshners kotrel - karogh e DU es prkelu vichak@ kam qo qocharyan@, vor hima mets-mets xosum es? Eli zhoghovrdi kyanqic u hoguc en qashelu tanen, inchqan kareli e ays zhoghovrdin charcharel, tgha jan? Du ho fashist ches?!

Chtesnvats "herates u hayaser" dirq es brnel, Mono. Kecces.

"Mi hat xndrank . Du karogh es asel hikt 27-i het kapvatz kani mard e
merel ???"
Qsanyoti zohern el het@ naxnakan hashvarkov 11.

"Yes orinak mi depk em hishum. Ayn el yeghel Aram Sargsyani varchapet linelu
orok."
Hishoghutyund erevum e @ntroghabar e ashxatum, gone Naghdalyanin chmoranayir... Da el ho tayfic er?

"Nayev yete asum es vor kocharyane hayrenaser chi apa inchu er krvum
Karabaghum?? "
Primitiv motecum, andadar shaharkvogh. Nax, es chem havatum, vor Qocharyan@ zenq@ dzerqin durs e ekel turqi dem. Na havanabar ayd zhamanak kar'erayov er zbaghvats voch te hayreniq pashtpanelov. Erkrord@, lav krvats zinvor - der chi nshanakum lav naxagah. Amen mardu trvats che dimanalu kyanqi tarber kargi pordzutyunnerin u gaytakghutyunnerin. Errordn el, mardik irenc kyanqi @ntacqum entaka en tarber azdecutyunneric popoxman.
Karch asats, Qocharyani aysorva verabermunq@ Hayreniqin amenevin el hayrenasirakani tpavorutyun chi toghnum.

"Karogh er che entanikin ugharker artasahman inkn er mi yerku
ban paxcner u hetnere gnar ??"
Chem kartsum vor karogh er. Ete karoghanar, hima artasahmanum kar'era er arel. Dra hamar el dardzav HHShakan.

"I dep Serjin nuynpes lakot chi kareli hamarel, bayc inchu nra masin
tvyalner kan isk Kocharyani masin chka."
Durs ekav naxadasutyand skizb@!
Serzhi bolor "tvyalneri" hamar R.Qocharyan@ patasxanatu e. Inqd el karogh eir glxi @nknel. Sranq irar hamar der shat patasxanner petq e tan...

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Min4ev kardaci sax hoqis gnac.. el jamanakis masin 4asac..)es indz zgaci 2-u qari aranqe..

sksem mi koxmic..)

Astghik jan.. mi exi shovinist martun 4i kareli datel ira hay linelov kam 4linelov karevore inqe lav masnaget lini..! (ajl harce vor pashtonyaneri krtutyune xist kaskace ara4acnum u iranc kompetentutyune..) in4 kap uni ira here kam mere over..!?
Nujne verabervume ajn martkanc voronq porcumen Qo4aryanin dem linel zut nra Arcaxci linelu pasti pat4arov.. da vo4te absurdutyune aj aravel evs - joxovurti nkatmamb (azgi.. erkri .. ev ajln) hancagiorcutyun (!)

Mi pastel Astghik jan.. du shat emocionales ajs harcin nayum ev aravel evs shat anhimna tvum ajt pat4arov qo gracnere.. Eselem dem hraparaxosutyuneri ev ko4em anum aveli zusp linel.. vo4vok azgain komfrontaciaic 4i shai baci mer tsnamineric.. cavok srti ajt pastic aravel oktvumen mer ishxanutyunere.. voronq henc dra vraen akcent dnum ..

In4 verabervuma Karen Demer4enyani nkatmamb joxovurtii harganqe.. ev ajln.. Joxovurt jan.. bajc menq demqenq.. u amen in4 shat shutenq moranum.. et stex vo4vok 88 tvin cujceri 4i masnakcel..!? et urer et 80% tokose erbvor operai hraparakum Demer4yanin tuq u murein anum.. ira meqenanein shur tali..? U urer ajn poxadarc harganqe erbvor KD-n hraparakum asec: Ara! Es gam hasnem stex duq indz 4lsek..?

Nencvor mihat lav hishek henc mer patmutyune....

Hima myus koxme..

2 Pascal:
es im harceri patasxane 4staca.. baci sahmanadrakan datarani voroshman veraberyal vori shurj in4qam inqtes haskanum shat taradzajnutyuner kan..

In4 verabervume prezumciya nevinovnosti... es lriv dra het hamadzajnem.. ev endunumem.. ajsinqn karam pndel vor bolor mexadranqnere endimutyan hascein anhimnen qani der 4ka dati voroshume vore da apacucume..

2 Mono:

(Arik - vo4te Areq.. )

elektrocanc..? De tox elektrocance lini.. min4ev ajn sebakashnorele... Mihat porci analiz anes.. arji ba ajt himnarki partki dimac himnarknel tal rusastanin.. aravel evs ete ajt himnarke sebakanashnorvela ev ajsuhetev liovin kan patasxanatvutyune krum petutyan dem..?

Nairit..? (4ishtn asac es texyak 4ej vor na ashxatume u aravel evs vor tenc ahreli partker uni gazi.. ) miguce henc iran tainq prcneinq..? te ira partke shat shater qanc et himnarki arjeqe..?


es qez noricem krknum.. LTP-i masinel 4kar xosk vor utuma.. bajc paste mnume past vor inqna amena mec mexavore ira tmi hancanqneri me4.. (te du dra het hamadzajn 4es..!? )

Imijiailoc Pascal: Du krkin porcumes qtnel orenqnerum ajn kete vortex nshavce vor naxagan patasxane tali ira timi aracneri hamar.?
Evs mek anqam harcs krknem Sadami.. Miloshevi4i.. ev ajl gorci4neri veraberyal..? te entadrumeq vor naxagan da menaq et martne u ver4..!? naxagan da time.. mec u amur.. (ajl depkun ajt pashtonum anhnarine ashxatel.. u nujnisk sxale)

(porceci kar4 grel..) )
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Old 02.05.2003, 11:11   #96
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Arik jan, es shovinist chem, qez tvac. Ete lineyi - kaseyi, es voch mekic el chem vaxenum.
Inch verabervum e petakan pashtoneayi hay linelun - apa da ashxarhum @ndunvats partadir payman e erkri anvtangutyan hamar. Cankacats iren hargogh erkir ayd hangamanq@ hashvi e arnum. Xosq@ hanguycayin pashtonneri masin e.
"Nujne verabervume ajn martkanc voronq porcumen Qo4aryanin dem linel zut nra Arcaxci linelu pasti pat4arov.. " Qocharyani gcats kutn eq vercnum. Es naxord @ntrutyunnerin @ntrel em Qocharyanin. Isk ays angam voch. Im asats@ urish ban er, noric kardaceq u ushadir.
Inch verabervum e emocional linelun - asem, vor ser aranc emociayi chi linum. Ete zhoghovrdis chsireyi (ankax tsnndyan vayric u azgayin inqnagitakcutyan astichanic) indz hamar kapreyi arandz ays harcerin andradarnalu. Aysinqn kendanu pes - miayn nranq chunen zgacmunqner.
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EAHK-n verjnakanapes

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Old 02.05.2003, 11:56   #98
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Astghik jan..
es vo4meki kute 4em utum..
u arcaxci linelu pasti shurj xosale dzez 4er verabervum qani vor duq erbek tujl 4ek tvel ajtpisi artahajtutyun ajstex... (uxaki es shat mart gitem ajt mtacelakerp unecox )

Isk in4 verabervume emocianeri .. apa emocianer petka linen.. bajc miqi4el sare dotoxutyune 4i xangari.. u andzam es sare datoxutyamb demem Qo4aryanin.. (4nayac es inqs ancyal entrutyunerin iranem entrel u nujnisk avelin (bajc da urish temaya..) U hamozvac exir vor joxovurti 4akatagire emocianerov sxale tnorinel.. petka miqi4 aveli sarnasrtoren linel...

Es haskanumem qo vrtovvacutyune.. bajc es 4em endunum erbvor zgumem vor emocianere aveli ujexen qanc gitakcutyune...
Petke ajs petutyune dzevapoxel.. es hamadzajnem.. indz tvume ajt mtki het hamadzajnen naev Monon ev Pascale. de ekek henc ajstex 2-u karcik unecox xmberov porcenq in4vor ezrakacutyane gal te vonc kareliya da anel.. gone zut patkeracnelov te orinak mezanic kaxvac in4 karelie anel vor vaxe vstah linenq vor mer erexanere k apren normal (lajn imastov) erkrum.. u iranc apagan lave klini...

Orinak: Es ara4arkum ajt emocional martkanc qez nman (da viravorelu hamar 4em asum.. ajl lriv lurj) kazmakerpel xmber entrataracqnerum voronq iranc vstahvanc andzanc koqnein xaxtumneri jamanak 4vaxenal irenc anvtangutyan hamar ev porcein kanxel xaxtumnere.. (iharke es kgeradasej vor danq anein vostikanere.. bajc de ajt funkcian pastoren nranq 4karoxacan kataren ) (Mono Pascal po4keqis 4xbek dra hamar..) hujsovem tur u dmboc 4i lini.. et menak ara4arka.. )

Mnacacnel heto..
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Arik jan,
haskaca inch eiq asum.
Hamamit em, gorts e petq, voch te xosqer. Es el chem sirum shataxosutyun. Voch el patrastvum em ays forumum erkar mnal, grancumov-banov. Im hnaravorutyan sahmannerum ev avel (hachax @ndhup minchev uzhaspar linel@) ashxatum em zhoghovrdis ogtakar linel. Ashxatum em mardkanc zangvatsneri het. Shat lav teghyak em nranc tramadrutyunneric. Ev shat sirum em mardkanc.
Es im teghn u gortsn unem. Aysqanov mxitarvum em miqich. Dzez el em cankanum nuyn@.
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Astghik


Ariaci parsiknere yerb vor petk er irenc hasanelike arecin. Nkati unem 1990-1994 tverin. Yete Irani baroyakan yev vorosh chapov nyutakan podderjkan chliner apa uzum e hazar hat yevropa gorayin te menk pashtpanum enk apa mer gortze cher tetevana krvi jamanak. Aynpes vor petk che momenti tak imastapoxel patmutyune.

Inch verabervum e Bushin u nra kamakatar YAHKin. Isk vor YAHK -n amerikyan petdapartamenti filialn e kaskatz chka.


Astghik djan miamtutyune henc mer ayn e vor menk kartzum enk vor yete amen inch anenk inchpes nrank uzum apa mez el voch mek chi kpni.

Mer dirke u mer vitjake mez stipum e hima konkret entrutyun anel Rusastan yev Yevropa te Amerika. Midjankyal iravitjak aylevs cavok srti goyutyun chuni. Hatkapes mer hamar.

KEH-i naxagahe shat tjisht mi ban asac Orinak ed inchu ein ed tuper lconoghnere henc spasum vor YAHK-i ditorde aydtegh mtner vor nor sksen irenc sev gortze. Axr inchu ek aydkan kuracel atelutyamb Kocharyani nkatmamb vor parzaguyn bannere chek zgum arden. Vor sa bacahayt naxapes tzragravorvatz sabotaj er. Kazmakerpvatz henc drsic !!!!

Hayastanic mi ban e pahandjvum. Durs gal DBK-ic kollektiv anvtangutyan kazmakerputyunic. Yev yete na ayd pahandje chi katarum apa sksvum en amen tesak humanistner u demokratner ashxarhov mek vaynasun dnel.

Hima harce urish dzev petk e dnel.

Petk e ardyok kul gnal te voch ????
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PS. I dep mi moracek vor menk mi angam arden unecel enk naxagah shat lav dzer er talis Amerikayin. NKati unem LTP-n. Amerikayin yerevu te dzer er talis bayc vor hayerin dzer chtvec ed hastat e.


PPS. Inch verabervum parlamentakan entrutyunnerin. Yete Kocharyane gna banakcutyunneri AMNi het u partavorvi durs gal DNK-ic apa harcere shat lav klutzven. U yete nuynisk keghtzikner el linen voch mek dzen chi hani. Bayc yete zidjman chgna inchkan el uzum es ardar u azniv entrutyun ara apa kzcnelu en. Dranum togh voch mek chkaskatzi.

Aynpes vor vitjake iskapes shat lurdj e bayc voch meznic kaxvatz iravitjakic. Ayl endhanur global. Hima sksvel e AMN-i kaysrutyan ankume. Yev AMN-e patrast e gnal amen storutyan inch e te ir agonian mi kich el yerkari.
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Cer elujtnery shat nman en hartakic hnchox elujtnerin. Nujn anvicheli tonn e, nujn miak chshmartutjan menashnorhn unenalu iravunqy, nujn joxovrdi anunic xoselu naxoroq iravasutjan qve stacaci dirqy, nujn miak hajrenaser ev joxovrdaser linelu miak iravunqy, nujn mexadroxi kecvacqy.

Es chem uzum mek mek andradarnal cer arcarcac harcerin, miajn kasem, vor Amerikain u Angliain, irenc parapanc demokratiajov handerc, bolorovin chi hetaqrqrum te qo hajastanum yntrutjunnery ardjoq ardar en anckacvum, te anardar? nranq unen irenc shahery ev kasen irency ankax ajn banic - ardar kanckacnenq, te anardar.

Bavakan e hishel, te inchpisi kextot bazar ein anum Turkiaji het hajkakan genocidi xaxaqartov, vorpeszi karoxanajin nra taracqy ogtagorcein paterazmakan gorcoxutjunneri hamar. ajn e: tujl ktaq- genocid chi exel, tujl cheq ta - genocid exel e!!!

Inch verabervum e Rusastanin, apa ajsor mer shahery hamynknum en nranc shaheri het kapvac ashxarhaqaxaqakan iravichakic ev antesel ajd pasty gorcanarar klini mez hamar. Henc da el petq e Bushin ev nra manklaviknerin.

Isk amenagorcanarary ajsor, mer mi bur joxovrdin kiseln u irar dem haneln e. Mer patmutjuny mi angam che, vor nman "qaxcrutyuny" chashakel e.

Harganqners!
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Old 03.05.2003, 04:06   #103
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Mono,
pordzelov ardaracnel qocharyani legitimutyun@ du grum es sa:
"Kocharyanin pashtpanec Rusastane, Fransian, Germanian, yev nranc
dashnakicnere".
Heto el asum es, vor
"YAHK -n amerikyan petdapartamenti filialn e kaskatz chka."
Ayd YAHK-n nuyn Fransian, Germanian u nranc dashnakicner@ chen?

Es chem haskanum, qo skzbunq@, vorpes hayi, robikin pashtpaneln e bolor metodnerov, te du ankax robikic hayreniqid nkatmamb inch-vor skzbunqner el unes?

"Mer dirke u mer vitjake mez stipum e hima konkret entrutyun anel Rusastan yev Yevropa te Amerika. Midjankyal iravitjak aylevs cavok srti goyutyun chuni. Hatkapes mer hamar. "
Lav e ush, qan erbeq. Verjapes gone du haskacar sa.
Ays robiki koghmic hrchakats karchates "komlementerutyan" anskzbunqaynutyan dem arden mi qani tari e vor @nddimutyun@ payqarum e. Ayo, chi kareli chochanaki szbunqov "mek depi dzez, mek depi dzez" gnal u gal, arandz votqi tak henman ket unenalu.
Parz e, vor ays paymannerum, voch Rusastan@ ev voch el AMN-n cheyin karogh vstahel Hayastanin voch mi harcum. Da miayn nyardayinacnelu er te mi, te myus koghm@. Ev nyardayinacrec, inchpes tesanq. Skzbic Rusastanner nyardayinanum, hima el AMN-n.
Rusastani nyardayinacman hetevanqn eghav ayn, vor na chnerec ir "dashnakic" chochanakayin petutyan@ partqer@, ev Hayastani ishxanutyun@ stipvats eghav petakan anvtangutyan nshanakutyan ob'ektner tal Rusastanin "guyq partqi dimac" anskzbunqaynutyamb. Sxalner@ sxalner en berum.
Hima el AMN-n e nyardayinacats@ - sranc vonc enq trvelu, vor miqich mez hangist toghnen?
Bayc cavn ayn e, Mono, vor ayd anskbunq u anvoghnashar qaghaqakanutyun@ minchev aysor der uzhi mej e, erku or araj eli V.Oskanyan@ ayd chochanaki "efektivutyunic" er xosum.

"Hima harce urish dzev petk e dnel.

Petk e ardyok kul gnal te voch ????"
Qocharyann e ays xndirneri heghinak@? Togh inqn el kul gna.
Qocharyan@ xagher xagha - Hayastan@ kul gna?
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"Cer elujtnery shat nman en hartakic hnchox elujtnerin." - heto inch?
"Nujn anvicheli tonn e, nujn miak chshmartutjan menashnorhn unenalu iravunqy, nujn joxovrdi anunic xoselu naxoroq iravasutjan qve stacaci dirqy, nujn miak hajrenaser ev joxovrdaser linelu miak iravunqy, nujn mexadroxi kecvacqy."
Sa kartsem Haylurov lsel em.
"Es chem uzum mek mek andradarnal cer arcarcac harcerin" - poxadardzabar.
Nereceq.
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