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Old 25.05.2002, 04:21   #31
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Pomoemu, chtenie knig ne govorit ni o chem. Imeetsya vvidu, chto vopreki prozvuchavshim mneniyam ob obogashenii vnutrennego mira, intellektual'nosti, kul'tury, i.t.d., chtenie knig ne imeet nichego obshego s onymi kachestvami.
Kak prakticheskoe podtverjdenie tomu, dumayu, kajdomu iz nas prixodilos' vstrechat'sya s nachitannymi nichtojestvami (podstavit' sushestvitel'noe po vkusu), ili je, s, nichego ne chitavshimi, intellektualami (opyat'-taki, zamenit' na bolee podxodyashee).
Konechno, ya utriruyu, no, dumayu, obshaya mysl' ponyatna.
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Old 25.05.2002, 04:59   #32
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> Pomoemu, chtenie knig ne govorit ni o chem
Verno. Moral'nye i intellektual'nye kachestva cheloveka nikoim obrazom ne svyazany napryamuyu s kolichestvom i kachestvom prochitannoj im literatury.

> nichego ne chitavshimi, intellektualami
huh?
mozhet vsyo-taki ne intellektualami, a prosto umnymi lyud'mi ???
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Old 25.05.2002, 05:14   #33
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Quote:
Originally posted by groul:
mozhet vsyo-taki ne intellektualami, a prosto umnymi lyud'mi ???
A v chem raznica mejdu intellektualami i umnymi lyud'mi?
Vse zavisit ot smysla, vkladyvaemogo v eti ponyatiya...
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Old 25.05.2002, 06:01   #34
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... tak kak slovo "intellectual" vryad-li imeet uzhe chetkij - ustanovivshiysya smysl (xotya, chert ego znayet), to skazhu kak ya ponimayu raznicu mezhdu umnym i intellektualom.

Chelovek umnyj eto:
1. ... pobedivshij sil'nogo vraga malymi silami
2. ... sumevshij vyzhit', kogda drugie ne smogli
3. ... taktichnyj
4. ... ponimayushij
5. ... umeyushij nayti obshij yazyk so vsemi
6. ... you name it

Spisok mozhno prodolzhat' do beskonechnosti. V principe mozhno skazat' chto v osnove vysheperechislennyx primerov lezhat ne um a lovkost', xitrost', snorovka - no dumayu eto vsyo proizvodnye ot uma.

Intellectual eto:
- Chelovek ne tol'ko imeyushij intellektual'nyj bagazh (e.g. prochitannye knigi, uvidennye fil'my, uslyshannaya muzyka, obshenie s sebe podobnymi), no i umeyushij svoim bagazhom rasporyazhatsya (bud' to dlya samostoyatel'nogo sozdaniya novogo, ili zhe ocenki sozdannogo drugimi)

V principe eto opredelenie nikoim obrazom ne pretenduet na polnotu, no otrazhaet moj podxod k voprosu...

P.S. Byt' intellektualom eshe ne znachit byt' umnym i naoborot, xotya odno drugomu nikak ne meshayet...
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Old 25.05.2002, 06:24   #35
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2 groul:
Vot chto govorit slovar' Dalya po povodu intellektual'nosti:

Интеллектуальный - лат. духовный, умственый, разумный.
Интеллигенция - разумная, образованная, умствено развитая часть жителей.

Kak vidim, nikakoj pryamoj svyazi s chteniem knig ne ukazyvaetsya.
Eto ya i imel vvidu v iznachal'nom poslanii: Vozmojno nalichie umstvenno razvityx lyudej ne chitavshix knig.
Kak govoryat matematiki: ch. t. d.
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Old 25.05.2002, 07:25   #36
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Mne pokazalos', chto rech' shla ob intellectualax, a ne o slove "intellectual'nyj".

Vprochem, skazannogoe Vami ot etogo vsyo ravno ne teryayet pravoty:
> Vozmojno nalichie umstvenno razvityx lyudej ne chitavshix knig
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Old 25.05.2002, 08:40   #37
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Vot i xorosho, chto prishli k soglasiyu....

P.S. Vdogonku: dumayu prilagatel'noe intellektual'nyj yavlyaetsya neobxodimym i dostatochnym kriteriem dlya priznaniya prinadlejnosti individuuma k klassu intellektualov.
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