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Old 26.02.2007, 20:00   #16
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And my point is correct from any perspective merely because there are no different meanings for the word 'kernel' for professionals and desktop
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Sir, you're missing a point here: when I say "yadro" I don't mean "kernel". Believe me, I know what the word "kernel" means in professional jargon, but this is not pofessional forum and I'm not obliged to be strict on meaning of terms. Vista supports all the device drivers for XP - this is what means "essential" to me as a user. Don't give me an example of Linux running XP programs, it's completely irrelevant: you cannot run XP programs under Linux AT ALL without using some extra layer of s/w

P.S. Do you think this discussion makes any sense ? I'm afraid I don't.
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Old 26.02.2007, 20:09   #17
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Da net, spasibo - ya chista v celyax ekonomii vremeni. Iskat`-to ya i sam iskal, nashel chto esli sinstallit` ego s datoy let na 50 vpered, a potom vernut` nazad, to on eshe doolgo ne budet prosit` aktivacii. Vot etim i polzuyus`. Para drugix krekov ne pomogla potomu xochetsa proverennix krekov. No v lyubom sluchae spasibo za podderzhku.
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Sir, you're missing a point here: when I say "yadro" I don't mean "kernel".
I sure am Case closed.


Just out of curiosity.. why do you think Vista does not run those XP drivers with some sort of an extra s/w layer...
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I sure am Case closed.
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Just out of curiosity.. why do you think Vista does not run those XP drivers with some sort of an extra s/w layer...
Intuition. Simply because
a) Microsoft usually never does
b) Why would it? It doesn't make much of a sense to me.
Do you think it does ? I'd be very surprised if it's so !
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Excerpt from MSDN, "Internal Compatibility Layer":
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...Windows XP applications that run on Windows Vista will be able to communicate with Windows Vista drivers, and Windows Vista applications will be able to communicate with Windows XP drivers that run on Windows Vista.
Why? I guess to make it easier for XP users to move to Vista.
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Old 26.02.2007, 21:07   #21
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Moreover, even DirectX9 and GDI (which apparently doesn't exist in Vista anymore) drivers will only work through the compatibility layer, thus the ~30-50% performance hit for DirectX9 applications.
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Old 26.02.2007, 21:11   #22
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Sound more like Vista supports two type of drivers, rather than running one type over another. Curious...
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That would be ridiculous.

Microsoft wants Vista to become its next mainstream OS, next stage of development. Vista is more different from XP than XP from 2000 or 2000 from NT. With time, most of XP users will move to Vista, and MS pushes quite a campaign for making this 'transfer' as rapid as possible. Supporting natively both XP and the new Vista techs would be an enormous job for the OS. Memory management, HAL, HEL, I/O, almost everything that makes an 'OS' is redesigned - not just improved. Even the filesystem was planned to be changed with WinFS, which however didn't make it in time and will come with the next release of Vista.

There is no meaning in supporting 2 drivers if eventually the second type of drivers is not gonna be used by anyone. Emulation is much rather preferred in this case. DirectX 10 is already out with stunning new features and almost rewritten/redesigned from scratch.. Most of people don't use OpenGL for graphics development anymore.. Most major companies already came up with Vista-native drivers. Why keep the OS heavy for something that's dying?

In any case, a more thorough research should be conducted However, with the new I/O model, I don't believe direct support of the older drivers (without any layer) is possible.

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Very impressive! This is just too good to be true
Remember when Win 95 came, I read a lot ot similar articles Lets hope this time this is not jut a hoax.
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Postavil. Poka dovolen i snoit` ne sobirayus`. Izmeniya po sravneniyu s XP v osnovnom v interface-e, yadro to zhe samoe. Est` poleznie fichi.
Interface ochen` krasiviy, nesravnenno luchshe XP.
Problemi s driverami ochen` mnogix ustroystv, no ix vpolne mozhno zamenit` driverami dlia XP.
Crack ne srabotal, proshlos` installirovat` budushim chislom. Esli kto-to znaet i ukazhet nadezhniy crack - budu obyazan.
если еще нужен кряк, напиши в личку, пошлю мылом.
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поставил Висту, уже 2 месяца.

полет нормальный,
с драйверам все ок, есть и потихоньку выходят то что не было.

А впечатления очень положительные, красивый интерфейс,
куча наворотов (которые по тихоньку отключаешь )

Рекомендую.

Правда есть моменты в плане совместимости с олд прогами
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Old 27.02.2007, 14:34   #27
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А я поставил виста трансформатион пак, та же виста но нема проблем с incompatibility
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а мне dos нравился....
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а мне dos нравился....
Чем же?
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Чем же?
отсутствием многозадачности и соответственно проблем
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