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Old 18.07.2006, 11:05   #451
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There we go: Monopole, you're being an ageist!!


When a person uses the word "childish" to describe immature behavior, (s)he is being ageist. When a department store refuses to admit people under 16 "unless accompanied by an adult", it is being ageist. When a parent speaks of "puppy love" as being cute or trivial, (s)he is being ageist. And when society refuses to try a 14-year-old as an adult, this too is ageism.

It is not surprising that ageist remarks and attitudes are plentiful in the gay community. It is surprising that the members of the community who hold these attitudes have forgotten the sufferings they themselves underwent at the hands of ageists, so soon. They have forgotten the parents, teachers, and family members who attempted to force them into the conformist mold without considering their individuality. They have forgotten the experience of having ideas you know to be correct brushed aside or given no credence. They have forgotten the experience of sitting in a restaurant and being ignored by waiters while adults receive prompt service. They have forgotten the embarrassment of being called "Junior" by an adult one-half your height. They have forgotten what it is like to be young in America.

Ageism is a unique form of oppression in that it is a) never permanent and b) fully reversible. Oppressed becomes oppressor just as surely as day becomes night. And this apes on through such socially sanctioned methods as the father's moans, "When I was your age I was already. . ." or "When I was your age I couldn't even..." which both imply that behavior advances in easily designated stages and no one should be permitted to act in a manner considered inappropriate to his/her supposed stage. This cyclical, self-sustaining action is what makes ageism so dangerous. When a child's ideas and feelings are suppressed or invalidated, it is very easy to replace these ideas and feelings with those which are not necessarily the child's own. After this occurs, the child is merely a tiny clone of his/her oppressor - ready to support, in thought, word, and deed, every action of that oppressor, which (s)he has been mistakenly led to believe would have been his/her own action in similar circumstances.

Another danger of ageism is the stagnation it is liable to bring to the movement. Squelch the voices of the young and you squelch new ideas, new outlooks, and new patterns of thought - those which have not been tainted by the years of hypocrisy and self-contempt which have afflicted so many who came out before Stonewall. The young are famous for our radicalism ~ attributed by some, ageistically of course, to our "naivete" and our "optimism". Supposedly we have not experienced enough of the world's ways to have become cynical enough to understand that "we can't change anything." This ageist doctrine merely wastes the power of youth to help change the world; whatever the source of our energy and radicalism it still exists and should be cultivated rather than denigrated.

Gay Youth of New York is a pioneer group ~ founded fully four months before Stonewall. Few other groups can make this claim. Even before the gay rights movement as we know it had begun, youth had already started to take a stand ~ to affirm their identities ~ to try to change the world.

I have shown to you the threat posed by ageism to the sustenance of this movement. Eliminate the young people and you eliminate any chance of a future.

So how can one overcome one's unconscious ageism and raise one's consciousness? The first step is to examine one's vocabulary. Check to see if it contains words like "child", "kid", or "baby" ~ when used in a pejorative way to denote unruly or immature behavior. Or phrases like "Lesbians and Gay Men", which fails to note the large gay male population under 18; like "(S)he's at that age" or ''(S)he's only a kid", which attach unfair behavioral judgments to certain age levels; or "You're old enough to know better", which implies that knowledge and age must always grow in direct proportion to one another.

Many who hear about ageism dismiss it simply as another attempt by "those young whippersnappers" to bully adults into letting them run about wild and do whatever they want. What these people fail to acknowledge is that the whole point of any kind of liberation movement is for its participants to gain the freedom to do "whatever they want." Youth liberation is no different in this respect from Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation, Third World Liberation, or any liberation movement. To dismiss youth as unworthy of this freedom because "they're just kids" is of course in itself the height (or should one say the nadir) of ageist acts.

This article deals with ageism against youth. But let us not forget that there is equal ageism directed against the elderly. Charges of senility or similar excuses are often used to suppress the voices of our older generations. American society sloughs senior citizens off like dead skin ~ funnelling them into nursing homes or hospitals where they sit and collect dust. No one seems to understand that old age is an inevitability ~ and that once one realizes the rage and frustration of being cast from the society one has served for so long, it will be too late.

The conquest of ageism should be an important goal of the present-day Gay movement. Young people are some of the most involved, dedicated, vocal, and efficient people currently active in the community. We, who work equally hard towards liberation for all as any adult, should not be subjected to the indignities of oppression by those people who would deny our efforts. So we will not take the seat in the back of the bus so many would prefer to see us in. We will not idly listen while decisions are made concerning us without our consultation. We will not allow ourselves to be overlooked, overpowered, or ridiculed. We will not continue to internalize the ageist propaganda fed to us by parents and teachers. We will not agree blindly to anything told us merely because the person telling us is three times our age. We WILL BE HEARD!!!!
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Зарекся я писать тут, но опять не выдержал !
Уважаемый, вы совершенно игнорируете один существенный момент, который полностью устраняет какую бы то ни было связь между гомосексуализмом и тем, очем Вы изволите писать.
Когда связь происходит между двумя взрослыми людьми по доброй воле и без принуждения в этом не может быть никакого состава преступления. Разницу с педофилией чувствуете ?
Raznicu ja chustvuju i bez vashix objasnenij. Poftorjaju svoj vopros. esli ne segodnja, zavto primut zakom chto pedofilija eto ZAKONNO vi toje budete govorit' chto kajdij imeet pravo na samoopredelenie? A esli pedofilija po dobroj vole i bez prinujdenija to togda isxodja iz vashej je logiki mojno????!!!! I sostava prestuplenija kak bi netu????? Ja ne ponimaju za****niki gejev tol'ko za geyev i lesbianok ili za svobodu v principe?
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Old 18.07.2006, 11:26   #453
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Даешь педерастию в широкие массы!
Вы не устали от своего "гуманизма"?
Ара, ахпор пес, йес вор телевизров даже засвох чувакнер ем тенум, сиртс харнум а, блдел ем узум. Паткерацнум ек, ми анасун ор Эревани похоцум, кам инч вор обектум тенам вонц ен эрку чувак ирар сирелов, чсирелов, макуров, кехтотов, оринакан те вонц, каревор чи, ЗАСВУМ Хи петк а йес иранц патчаров хогекан апрумнер уненам, хи пти им кахакум им блделы га эт гйотериц? Бан чунем аселу. Иранк эт чампен ынтрел ен, хрен с ними. Байц тох им нерверин чазден. Дук эл херик а эт гйотерин паштпанек. Мардканц сирелы тенц чи артахайтвум, типа, ов инч узум а тох ани, менак индз ватутюн чани. Мек-мек мардум бернин талы авели вар сиро артахайтутюн а, кан лрелы, кам говелы, кам эл чгитем инч.. Ззвеци арден, са иравунк уни, на иравунк уни... Йес ел иравунк унем. Лрив моральный иравунк унем днем индз им кахакум блдцнохин маман эн баниц анем. Ара, аранц эт ел гйотеры лцвел ен кахак, вонц вор йесим инч ылни..
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Не надо себя терзать видом мусульманского сброда, возращайся в Армению, сдесь скоро будет настоящий фашизм и можно будет спокойно жить, не боясь наплыва долбанных мигратнов и разгула гомосеков.

Отдатим наши голоса справедливому царю Додону! Слава царю Додону! Слава "Баргавач Айастан"!
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a po moemu oni slukavili: netu je oficialnix fotok tovo chto ix venchal predstavitel cerkvi??? a tak vsyaki mojet voyti v cerkov nadet kolco i skazat chto oni obvenchalis v cerkvi. po moemu armyanskaya cerkov ne priznayot odnopoliye braki , a??
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marsiamoon, а ты вообще прочитала интервью? а?
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Էսի ՈՒՆՑԵՆԶՈՒՌԵԴԸ լիներ ես սրանց ինչ կանեի!!!

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Why is it disgusting? He has equal arguments for his rights and righteousness as homosexuals do! Just because it is disgusting for you, doesn't mean it is not normal!! Open your mind, don't be so limited and respect others' lifestyle!!!
Again, we are talking about apple you are talking about eggplant. These are two different subjects, you can open a new thread and we can start discussing why pedophilia is disgusting, not normal or so on.
That has nothing to do with this subject. Pedophilia is a crime no matter it is done by homosexuals or heterosexuals. You can consider it as normal but it is a crime according the criminal laws of all the countries of the world.
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a kak ono klasifficiruetsja pod prestuplenie? tipa esli gomosexualizm uzakonen - eto ne prestuplenie, esli pedofiliju zavtra uzakonjat - eto toje uje budet ne prestuplenie? esli uj vi govoriti chto gomosexualizm eto normal'no i mojet imet' mesto, zavtro pedofili toje skajut a mi chem xuje pedikov mi toje xotim bit' "zakonnimi".
zashtniki gomikov doljni otdavat' sebe otchet v tom chto i drugije netradicionali imejut pravo na sushestvovanie
Mi ne zmaev chto budet zavtra, segodnya vse peredovie strani schitayut eto ne prestuplenie, znachit segodnya eto normalno. Ya ne dumayu I uveren chto pedofiliyu ne uzakonut nikogda. No ya ne Nostradamus (k schastyu) i sledovatelno mi mozhem obsuzhdat problemi segodnya ili vchera no ne zavtra potomu chto mi ne znaem chto zavtra budet.

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Raznicu ja chustvuju i bez vashix objasnenij.
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Poftorjaju svoj vopros. esli ne segodnja, zavto primut zakom chto pedofilija eto ZAKONNO vi toje budete govorit' chto kajdij imeet pravo na samoopredelenie? A esli pedofilija po dobroj vole i bez prinujdenija to togda isxodja iz vashej je logiki mojno????!!!! I sostava prestuplenija kak bi netu????? Ja ne ponimaju za****niki gejev tol'ko za geyev i lesbianok ili za svobodu v principe?


Smotri moy otvet vvisshe. Kogda mi govorim gay eto takzhe o lesbiyanok, poetomu mi govorim homosexual.
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А почему будет фашизм?
Ну, а почему бы и нет?

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И кто Дадон?..
О, это великий человек ... приезжай в Армению, матах, нечего там страдать от созерцания наплывающих отовсюду нехристей ... приезжай, все узнаешь.
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Даешь педерастию в широкие массы!
Вы не устали от своего "гуманизма"?
Ара, ахпор пес, йес вор телевизров даже засвох чувакнер ем тенум, сиртс харнум а, блдел ем узум. Паткерацнум ек, ми анасун ор Эревани похоцум, кам инч вор обектум тенам вонц ен эрку чувак ирар сирелов, чсирелов, макуров, кехтотов, оринакан те вонц, каревор чи, ЗАСВУМ Хи петк а йес иранц патчаров хогекан апрумнер уненам, хи пти им кахакум им блделы га эт гйотериц? Бан чунем аселу. Иранк эт чампен ынтрел ен, хрен с ними. Байц тох им нерверин чазден. Дук эл херик а эт гйотерин паштпанек. Мардканц сирелы тенц чи артахайтвум, типа, ов инч узум а тох ани, менак индз ватутюн чани. Мек-мек мардум бернин талы авели вар сиро артахайтутюн а, кан лрелы, кам говелы, кам эл чгитем инч.. Ззвеци арден, са иравунк уни, на иравунк уни... Йес ел иравунк унем. Лрив моральный иравунк унем днем индз им кахакум блдцнохин маман эн баниц анем. Ара, аранц эт ел гйотеры лцвел ен кахак, вонц вор йесим инч ылни..
Isk khi piti irank hogekan aprumner unenan vor metsamasnutyun@ chi @ndunum nrants u nrank petk e taknven, vakhenan…
Da voch miayn ko kaghakn e, aelev nrants…
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Isk khi piti irank hogekan aprumner unenan vor metsamasnutyun@ chi @ndunum nrants u nrank petk e taknven, vakhenan…
Da voch miayn ko kaghakn e, aelev nrants…
Апрумнер петк а уненан иранк, вортев иранк ен гйоты, йес чем.
Иск насчет, вор эс иранц кахакн ел а... Апсос, ансензордум ченк
Ай стех ду ЧАРАЧАР ес схалвум. Эреваны йербек чи эхел, у йербек чи лини гйотери кахак.
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Апрумнер петк а уненан иранк, вортев иранк ен гйоты, йес чем.
Иск насчет, вор эс иранц кахакн ел а... Апсос, ансензордум ченк
Ай стех ду ЧАРАЧАР ес схалвум. Эреваны йербек чи эхел, у йербек чи лини гйотери кахак.
"гйоты" im hamar chi nshanakum homosexual, Heterosexualnern karan nuynpes linel гйоты...
Chgitem inch e nshanakum "ансензордум"
Erevann ir bolor bnakichneri hamarb e...
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IM posterits mek@ hents nor inch vor dzevov, inch vor mek@ dzndzets forumits...

Somebody somehow right now erased one of my posts...
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Yes, I've erased because it wasn't related to this particular thread.
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