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Old 17.12.2007, 09:46   #1
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Default Bil li Darvin prav?

u nas tut vishel spor s Monopolem, prav li Darvin ili net, proshu prisoedinitsya, no tolko obosnovanno
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u nas tut vishel spor s Monopolem, prav li Darvin ili net, proshu prisoedinitsya, no tolko obosnovanno
Davaj snachal opredelimsya V CHEM.
Navernyaka on kak i vse lyudi v zhizni chato byval ne prav, poetomu sejchas nuzhno chetko sformulirovat o chem idet rech.
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Navernyaka on kak i vse lyudi v zhizni chato byval ne prav, poetomu sejchas nuzhno chetko sformulirovat o chem idet rech.
pravilno zametil

znachit tak, rech idet o teorii evolyucii. Toka vot popravochka, ya ne imeyu v vidu, chto Darvin 100% bil ne prav, ya toka govoryu, chto v etoy teorii est mesta, gde on peretrudilsya. Vot naprimer, ne imeyu nichego protiv mikroevolyucii, tut on bil prav.
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Ten Reasons Evolution is Wrong
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Poetomu ya tebe i govoryu, poobshajsya so specialistami.
smotrya kogo ti imeesh v vidu govorya specialisti. Esli lyudey, kotorie virosli v duxe darvinizma, uchilis tolko darvinizmu, i poluchili svoe obrazovanie v etom duxe, to ti prav, oni privedut mne kuchu dovidov v polzu teorii evolyucii. Ya obshalsya i s takimi, i drugimi toje, kotorie, zamet, toje biologi, no ne govoryat, chto darvin bil prav na 100%
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The Contemporary Theory of Evolution (NeoDarwinism) Is Wrong - From Evolution Theory to a New Creation Theory

vot eshe ssilka, gde ne govoritsya, chto darvinizm polnaya chush, no koe-kakie nestikovki vse je est (kstati, o genetike toje govoritsya)
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Digital Genetics and the Theory of Evolution

pro sootnasheniy teorii evolyucii i genetiki
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Darvin maybe not.. but evolution - yes.
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Aris, est kompaniay religioznyh fanatikov, kotorye otricayut evolyuciyu tolko po religioznym prichinam, oni ot i pridumyvayut ves etot bred i rasprostranyayut ego sredi ne ochen kvalificirovannogo naseleniya. No ni odin seryoznyj uchenyj v eto ne verit. Biologiya, v otlicii ot istorii, tochnaya nauka i tam istinnost togo ili inogo fakta proverit gorazdo proshe. Poetomu ya teb eshe raz sovetuyu ne chitat vsyakuyu bredyatinu, specialno raschitannuyu na malogramontono chitatelya, a porasprosit nastoyzshego specialista. Net ni odnogo fakta napryamuyu protivorechashego teorii evolyucii.
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Vadim jan, a ya razve chto-to govoril pro religioznix fanatikov? Ti menya sovetuesh posovetovatsya so specialistami. A kak tebe kajetsya, ya bi nachal govorit ob etom bez osnovaniya? Ya slishal mneniya specialistov, kotorie govorili, chto darvin bil prav na 100%, i tex, kotorie ne ochen-to s nim soglasni, i mejdu prochem lyudey, razbirayushimsya v genetike (a ti mne govoril, chto genetika vse potverjdaet). V tex ssilkax, kotorie ya privel, gde ti videsh mneniya religioznix fanatov? Tut nujno utochnit, ya je ne govoryu, chto vse to, chto pisal darvin polniy bred, ya tolko govoryu, chto est mnogie dovidi, v kotorix on oshibalsya, v chasnosti makroevolyuciya, i mnogie genetiki s etim soglasni
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Vadim jan, a ya razve chto-to govoril pro religioznix fanatikov? Ti menya sovetuesh posovetovatsya so specialistami. A kak tebe kajetsya, ya bi nachal govorit ob etom bez osnovaniya? Ya slishal mneniya specialistov, kotorie govorili, chto darvin bil prav na 100%, i tex, kotorie ne ochen-to s nim soglasni, i mejdu prochem lyudey, razbirayushimsya v genetike (a ti mne govoril, chto genetika vse potverjdaet). V tex ssilkax, kotorie ya privel, gde ti videsh mneniya religioznix fanatov? Tut nujno utochnit, ya je ne govoryu, chto vse to, chto pisal darvin polniy bred, ya tolko govoryu, chto est mnogie dovidi, v kotorix on oshibalsya, v chasnosti makroevolyuciya, i mnogie genetiki s etim soglasni
Nazovi familiyu odnogo nastoyashego genetika, kotoryj by privodil fakty odnoznachno otvergayushie makroevolyuciyu ?
Aris, u shimpanze i u cheloveka 88 procentov genoma polnostyu sovpadaet ! U cheloveka i myshi, pochti 60 %, a u cheloveka i narcisa - okolo 40 % !
Rave ne ochevidno rodstvo ? Mirkoevolyuciyu otricat prosto nevozmozhno potomu chto eee eksperimentali nablyudali na mnogih organizmov smeno pokolenij kotoryh proishodit ochen bystro. Otnosilelno markoevolyucii nevozmozhno postavit takoj eksperiment poskolku zhdat nado sotni tysyach let, chtob uvidet rezultaty, no est kucha drugih priznakom, kotorye pozvolyayut s ochen bolshoj dolej uvernenosti utverzhdat chto vs eimenno tak. Po krajnejmer enet ni odnogo fakta, kotoryj by zastavil odnoznachno otkazatsya ot koncepcii evolyucii.
Poznakomem neya s temi specialistami, kotorye by otricali eto, ochenhochu s nimi pobshatsya, tolko bez vsyakih Liono, eto dolzhenbyt nastoyashij specialist, s uchenoj stepenyu, pechatayushij trudy s mezhdunarodnyh referiruemyh izdaniyah, delaysuhijdoklady namezhdunarodnyh konferenciyah i pr.
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opyat` vodu v stupe tolochem ?
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opyat` vodu v stupe tolochem ?
Nu davaj, chego zhe ty ne govorish, chto ty ustala, chto u tebay golov....oj net, eto ne otsyuda,... Chego zhe ty n egovorish, chto ya snob i so mnoj nevozmozhno sporit, chto ya upryamyj i ne zamechyu faktov ?
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Nu davaj, chego zhe ty ne govorish, chto ty ustala, chto u tebay golov....oj net, eto ne otsyuda,... Chego zhe ty n egovorish, chto ya snob i so mnoj nevozmozhno sporit, chto ya upryamyj i ne zamechyu faktov ?
temperaturu meril ?

ti o chem ?
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temperaturu meril ?

ti o chem ?
Da tak, o svoem o devichem.....
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ya govoryu, opyat` ne po teme sporite... privodite fakti obsnovannie, chitat` pointeresnee budet... a tak - vodu l`ete
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