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ARMENİAN GENOCİDE IS BİGGEST LİE.....IF WE WANTED GENOCİDE WHY WE WAİTED FROM 1071 (MALAZGIRT) WAR UNTIL 1915? answer me?
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The Zionist founders of Pan-Turkism

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The Zionists who founded Pan-Turkism

Source: Pan-Turkism, From Irredentism to Cooperation
by JACOB M. LANDAU

The three founders of the pan-Turkism were:

1. Pan-Turkism was first called for in the 1860's by Vambery a Zionist from Hungary, who had become an adviser to the Sultan, but who secretly worked for Lord Palmerston and the British Foreign Office. Vambery later tried to broker a deal between the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl and the Sultan, over the creation of Israel.

2. The Jewish French writer, Leon Cahun who formed and propagated pan-Turkism in his book: Introduction al'Histoire de l'Asie, Turcs, et Mongols, des ...

3. Arthur L. David, a British Jew who in his book tried to
give the Turks a superiority myth.


Young Turks:

In October 1843, twelve German-Jewish immigrants met on New York's Lower East Side to help others like themselves. Pooling their ideas and their funds, they founded what would become the most enduring service organization for the Zionist identity in the United States. Its name — B'nai B'rith, "Children of the Covenant".

The founder of the Young Turks was a Jewish Italian B'nai B'rith official named Emmanuel Carasso. Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890's in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece.

Press:

Another important area was the press. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including The Young Turk, whose editor was none other than the Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky had been educated as a young man in Italy. He later described Mazzini's ideas as the basis for the Zionist movement.

Jabotinsky arrived in Turkey shortly after the Young Turks seized power, to take over the paper. The paper was owned by a member of the Turkish cabinet, but it was funded by the Russian Zionist federation, and managed by B'nai B'rith (which gave birth to among other things monsters like the ADL). The editorial policy of the paper was overseen by a Dutch Zionist named Jacob Kann, who was the personal banker of the king and queen of the Netherlands.

Alexander Parvus...the 'behind the scenes'
mastermind of the Armenian Genocide,
men of Jewish 'international finance' who planned the "Russian" Revolution who pumped millions of marks from banker gold reserves to bank roll the "World Revolution."

Alexander Parvus (Russian: Александр Парвус) (1867 – 1924) was a 'revolutionary' jew.

Parvus was born Israel Lazarevich Gelfand (Russian: Израиль Лазаревич Гельфанд; his last name in English is sometimes rendered Gelfant, Helfant or Helphand) in Belarus, the son of Jewish parents. He was raised in Odessa (today's Ukraine), where he began associating with revolutionary circles. At age nineteen he left for Zurich, where he continued his studies, becoming a doctor of philosophy in 1891. By this time he had also become a Marxist. He moved to Germany, joined the Social Democratic Party and befriended revolutionary Rosa Luxemburg. In 1900, he met Vladimir Lenin for the first time, in Munich, each admiring the other's theoretical works. Parvus encouraged Lenin to begin publishing his revolutionary paper Iskra.

Parvus' attempts to become a German citizen proved fruitless. He once commented in a letter to his German friend Wilhelm Liebknecht that "I am seeking a government where one can inexpensively acquire a fatherland."

Writing in the socialist press during the Russo-Japanese War, Parvus predicted that Russia would lose the war, resulting in unrest and revolution. When this proved to be the case, Parvus' prestige among his socialist and other German comrades increased. During this time he developed the concept of using a foreign war to provoke an internal revolt within a country. It was at this time that Parvus revived, from Marx, the concept-strategy of permanent revolution" (See the linked Wikipedia article), which Trotsky then developed, and, through Trotsky, was eventually adopted by Lenin and the Bolsheviks in Lenin's April Theses in 1917.

Later in 1905, Parvus arrived in St. Petersburg with false Austro-Hungarian papers. In December, Parvus authored a provocative article on behalf of the St. Petersburg Soviet, The Financial Manifesto, which described the Russian economy as being on the verge of collapse. The consequent rush on the banks managed to upset the economy and enrage prime minister Sergei Witte, but did not cause a financial collapse. In ties with this provocation and Parvus' involvement in the organization of anti-government actions during the 1905 revolution, Parvus (together with other revolutionaries such as Leon Trotsky) was arrested by the Russian police. While in prison he became close with other revolutionaries, and was visited by Rosa Luxemburg. Sentenced to three years exile in Siberia, Parvus escaped and ran to Germany. There he published a book about his experiences called In the Russian Bastile during the Revolution.

While in Germany, Parvus struck up a deal with Russian author Maxim Gorky to produce his play The Lower Depths. According to the agreement, the majority of the play's proceeds were to go to the Russian Social Democratic Party (and approximately 25% to Gorky himself). Parvus' failure to pay (despite the fact that the play had over 500 showings) caused him to be accused of stealing. Gorky threatened to sue, but Rosa Luxemburg convinced Gorky to keep the quarrel inside the party's own court. Eventually, Parvus paid back Gorky, but his reputation in party circles was scathed. He was already disliked by many because of his love of wealth, luxury, and his taste for debauchery (i.e. holding frequent orgies in a Swiss hotel).

In March 1917, in a plan strategized together with Parvus, Vladimir Lenin and a group of 30 of his revolutionary associates set out from Switzerland through Germany in a sealed train car under supevision of Swiss socialist Fritz Platten. In this car, according to documents in German archives and the information of the Russian intelligence network, Lenin had seven million golden marks at his disposal for seeding his revolution. Parvus was to have met with Lenin during a planned stopover in Stockholm, but Lenin sent his associates Jacob Ganetski and Karl Radek to meet with him instead. Two days before a rumored separate peace treaty, which the Russian provisional government was prepared to sign with all of Germany's allies at the exclusion of Germany, the October Revolution took place.

Parvus wrote to Vladimir Lenin to request permission for him to come to Soviet Russia and take up an active role in supporting the 'Russian' Revolution. Lenin rejected Parvus, saying to him in reply The revolution cannot be done with dirty hands. This permanently ruined Parvus' relations with Lenin. Parvus' relations with Rosa Luxemburg and other German socialists also went sour. His political activity waned. He retreated to a German island near Berlin, where he lived in a well appointed 32-room mansion and soon afterwards published his memoirs.


Igor Bunich in his The Party's Gold (Zoloto partii) suggests that Parvus was tightly connected to the grand theft of the monstrous communist funds deposited in Swiss banks.
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Doenmeh-Sabbateans: The Secret Jews that Rule Turkey

Leading Zionist dr. Joachim Prinz portrays Mustafa Kemal Ataturk as an "ardent 'doenmehs' ", i.e. an ardent secret Jew!


Quotes from the book The Secret Jews, by Dr. Joachim Prinz, 1973, pp. 111-122:

..... In December 1686, more than three hundred families converted to Islam in Salonika. Like Shabtai and other Marranos, they continued to attend Jewish services secretly and observed certain Jewish customs in their homes.This was the origin of the most important group, numerically and historically, of Islamic Marranos. The faithful Mohemmedans call these hidden Jews 'doenmehs', the renegades. ..... Over the years the 'doenmeh' movement became firmly established in Asia Minor. In the nineteenth century the sect was estimated to have twenty thousand members. Salonika remained its main seat until that city became Greek in 1913. Although the Jewish community remained there under Greek rule, the 'doenmehs' moved to Constantinople.In Salonika in the early days of the movement the ten commandments "of our Lord King and Messiah Shabtai Zvi" were proclaimed by the 'doenmehs'. They still form the credo of the surviving 'doenmehs' of our time.I shall meticulously adhere to the customs of the Turks so as not to arose their suspicion. I shall not only observe the Fast of Ramadan but all the other Muslim customs which are observed in public.I shall not marry into a Muslim family nor maintain any intimate association with them, for they are to us an abomination and particularly their women.From time to time the Turkish governors of Salonika, who received complaints about the sect from the Mohammedan clergy, tried to investigate the strange existence of the 'doenmehs'. Their clannishness, their refusal to mingle with Mohammedan families, and their marital restrictions had become a well-known fact, difficult to hide from the majority of the people among whom they had lived for many generations. Socially, they seemed impenetrable, although in their Moslem religious practices they were beyond reproach. In fact, they often seemed even more devout followers of the Prophet Mohammed and more sincere worshipers of Allah than the rest of the community. They fasted during Ramadan, and their leaders and adherents were found in large, even conspicuous numbers among the pilgrims to Mecca. It was well known that in the seventeenth century Joseph Zvi, one of the immediate followers of Shabtai Zvi and one of his inner circle, died on the way from his pilgrimage to Mecca, and the day of his death is still commemorated.The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent 'doenmehs'. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh' background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna.



Dr. Joachim Prinz (1902-1988) was a Jewish Rabbi and Zionist born in Germany. Prinz had joined the Zionist Blau Weiss (Blue White) youth movement already in 1917. Having left Germany for the USA in 1937 Prinz, with the sponsorship of Stephen S. Wise, the famous American Rabbi and confidant of President Franklin Roosevelt, began his life in the United States by lecturing across the country for the United Palestine Appeal.Joachim Prinz became the spiritual leader of Temple B’nai Abraham in Newark New Jersey, one of the country’s oldest synagogues.Prinz became one of the top leaders of Jewish organizations: he held top leadership positions in the World Jewish Congress, first as its Vice President and ultimately Chairman of its Governing Council, he was a director of the Conference of Jewish Material Claims Against Germany. Prinz served as Chairman of the World Conference of Jewish Organizations and also as the President of The American Jewish Congress from 1958-1966. Prinz´ early involvement in the Zionist movement brought him into contact with the founding leaders of the Zionist State of Israel, most of whom he counted among his good friends. Prinz helped his long time friend and world Jewish leader Nahum Goldmann (who was the chief of the World Zionist Organization) to create the Conference of Presidents of American Jewish Organizations and Prinz served as one of its early Chairmen (1965-1967). (see link joachimprinz.com)

itsallpolitics.com/jewish-founders-of-modern-turkey-vt9966.html According to Ross, the secretive Sabbatean community, with an estimated 20,000 members, is known to security forces in Turkey, but not to the general public. Most of them live in Istanbul in large blocks of luxury flats in the Shishli Jewish quarter - unbeknownst to their neighbors.

"It's like a well-known secret. But the Sabbateans don't want to be exposed. I have been asked by four members of the community not to publish my book. They fear reactions from extreme Islamic elements."

To help substantiate his claims, Ross brought to Israel one of the members of the community who was willing to "come out of the closet" in order to be converted formally by rabbis: "Ilgaz Zorlu is his name. But the rabbis [in Israel] said he can't be converted because he doesn't accept all of the Talmudic law. They accepted that he knows more kabbala than they do. He prays; he practices Conservative Judaism. But, he's not bothered about Talmud so they said he had to do a nine-month conversion."

Meanwhile, Zorlu, a young accountant from Istanbul, has written his own book, which is mostly historical in nature. Entitled "Yes, I am a Salonikan," it has been printed six times.

Ross believes that there are a number of secret Sabbateans who hold key positions of influence in the Turkish parliament, legislature and executive branches of government, including the foreign minister himself. This, he observes, may help explain the close relations that exist today between Israel and Turkey."

haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...?itemNo=181051

It's time to learn the truth about Jewish dictator Mustafa Kemal, and the current oppressive Kemalian regime in Turkey, which took over the power after the fall of Ottoman rule, and which brainwash the people of Turkey from that time on... The below article clarifies many things.

Source: Kulanu quarterly newsletter, Summer 1999, Volume 6 Number 2

(Kulanu is an organization which reflects the community of interests of individuals of varied backgrounds and religious practices dedicated to finding and assisting lost and dispersed remnants of the Jewish people)


The Turkish - Israeli Connection and Its Jewish Roots

By Joseph Hantman

One of the most significant developments in recent Middle East affairs is the close relationship which now exists between Turkey and Israel in military, political, economic and intelligence matters. This change in the power structure is usually attributable to the old Arab maxim “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Since both Turkey and Israel count Syria and Iraq as their strongest threats, the close ties between Turkey and Israel are quite logical.

However, there is good evidence of a less widely known but absolutely fascinating story behind this relationship. Turkey, which has a population almost exclusively Muslim, has a government which by law is committed to being totally secular. This goes back to modern Turkey’s founding father, Mustafa Kemal (Kemal Ataturk), 1881-1938, leader of the Young Turk Movement which took over after World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Ataturk and his followers moved rapidly to end religious domination and many religious practices in the daily life of the country. They decreed a change from the Arabic alphabet to the Roman, and they outlawed the fez and the veil. They opened schools to both boys and girls, and their main goal was to Westernize Turkey and secularize its practices. The Turkish army has been the main enforcement agent of this secular policy in times of rising fundamentalism among some groups.

Some Background Data

In the 18th and early 19th century Salonika (now Thesalonika), under Turkish rule in Greece, was the unofficial capital of Sephardic Jewry. Of the three groups in the city, the Jews were larger than the combined Greek Orthodox and Muslim population.

The Jews dominated the commerce of the city and controlled the docks of this major seaport. There were great synagogues and academies of rabbinic study. Moslem shops closed on Friday, Greek Orthodox on Sunday, and most shops and businesses were closed on Shabbat. Ladino, the beautiful mix of Spanish and Hebrew, was the lingua franca of the city and “Shabbat Shalom” was the universal Saturday greeting among all. In the late 19th and early 20th century the city declined as a result of conflict between Greek Orthodox and Moslems, and Jewish dominance of the city decreased.

Fall of the Ottoman Empire

With the fall of the Ottoman Empire after World War I and the decision at the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 to create an independent Greek state, the decision was made to transfer populations. All Moslems in Greece had to move to Turkey and all Orthodox Greeks in Turkey had to move to Greece. In all, about 350,000 Moslems and one million Greeks were involved in the move. Jews were permitted to remain wherever they lived.

At this time a group of Moslems went to the authorities supervising the population shift and explained that they were not really Moslems but were in fact really Jews posing as Moslems. The authorities would not entertain such a claim so the group then went to the Chief Rabbi, Saul Amarillo, to verify their Jewish status. Rabbi Amarillo states, “Yes, I know who you are. You are momzarim (very loosely translated as bastards) and as such not acceptable in the Jewish community.” These people were the Doenmeh, the Turkish word for converts, and their existence had been known for over 200 years. They were called momzarim because of the bizarre sexual practices that were part of their religious rituals, which made it impossible to trace parentage and lineage. The Doenmeh were forced to leave Salonika for Turkey, which, considering the tragic fate of Salonika’s Jews during the Holocaust 20 years later, undoubtedly saved their lives.

Who Were the Doenmeh (Dönme)?

One of the best known names but least known historical figures in Jewish history is Shabbtai Zvi, the “false messiah” (1626-1687). Born in Smyrna, Turkey, of a Sephardic father and an Ashkenazi mother, he was a brilliant child and Talmudic student, and an ordained rabbi in his mid teens. He went on to study and became a master in Kabbalah and other Jewish mysticism. His oratory was captivating and he soon acquired a following. However, he exhibited odd characteristics, including periods of illumination where he was believed to be communicating with God and periods of darkness when he was wrestling with evil. Soon he began to hint that he was the Messiah. This blasphemy caused him to be expelled from a number of congregations. He took up a pilgrim’s staff and with some followers roamed the Middle East, gathering many to his messianic preaching, especially during his periods of light. In Gaza he was welcomed by Rabbi Nathan, who had for years been preaching that the arrival of the Messiah was imminent. This combination led to a great outpouring of belief in Shabbtai Zvi as the Messiah. Word spread throughout the Jewish world, from Poland, Amsterdam, Germany, London, Persia, and Turkey to Yemen. Multitudes joined his ranks – educated rabbis, illiterates, rich and poor alike were swept up in the mass hysteria.

Among his inner core, they accepted his theory that all religious restrictions were reversed. The forbidden was encouraged and the commandments of the Torah were replaced by Shabbtai’s 18 (chai) commandments. This led to feasting on fast days, sexual relations with others than one’s spouse, and many more. The high point was in 1665-66, when Shabbtai, with his followers, marched on the Sultan’s palace expecting to be greeted as the Messiah. This of course did not happen. To shorten this story, Shabbtai was given the choice “convert to Islam or die.” To the consternation of his followers, he chose conversion. Most of his followers return to their homelands where, after penitence and sometimes flagellation, they were received into the congregations. However, some hundreds of families of his inner circle considered his apostasy as part of his overall plan of reaching the depth before attaining redemption. They too converted to Islam, although for about 200 years they lived as Moslems but secretly passed on their secret quasi-Jewish Shabbatean beliefs and practices to their children. They continued learning and praying in Hebrew and Ladino. As the generations passed, the knowledge of Hebrew was reduced to reciting certain prayers and expressions by memory in a barely understood Hebrew. They were known in Turkish as Doenmeh, meaning “converts”; to the Jews they were Minim, meaning “heretics.” They referred to themselves as Ma’aminim, the “believers.” They were never really accepted by the Turks nor by the Jews.

As we get into the middle and late 1800's and education and enlightened thinking spread through parts of the region, young Doenmeh men who were dissatisfied with their status as “neither-nor” turned to secular nationalism to establish their identity. They neglected all forms of religious belonging and saw in the "Young Turk movement" their emancipation.

The Jewish Roots * * *

In 1911 in the Hotel Kamenetz in Jerusalem, Itamar Ben Avi, a newspaperman and writer who was the son of Eleazer Ben Yehudah (credited as the main proponent of the establishment of Modern Hebrew) met with a young Turkish Army officer. After enjoying a good quantity of Arak, the officer, Col. Mustafa Kemal, turned to his drinking partner and recited the “Shema” in fluent Hebrew and indicated that he came from a Doenmeh family. They met again on a few occasions and Kemal filled in more of his background. This man was of course to become General Kemal Ataturk, founder of modern Turkey.

Remnants of Doenmeh still exist. There is an unidentifiable building known as the Jewish Mosque where Doenmeh still meet. During World War II, when Turkey was close to Germany, there were separate tax lists for different religious categories, and the “D” list was for Doenmeh. During his lifetime and continuing today, there have been whispered rumors among Islamic activists that Kemal Ataturk and other Young Turks were of Jewish origin. Publicly, he denied this and his biographers avoided the issue.

However, there is little doubt that 300 years after the death of Shabbtai Zvi, his influence and twists and turns of his Doenmeh followers provided the activist secular basis which is one of the underlying principles of modern Turkey – without which the Turkish-Israeli connection would have been most unlikely.

To bring this story up to date and possibly complete the circle, we now learn that some Doenmeh living in Turkey have made inquiry of American Jewish religious organizations about the now already open re-entry of Doenmeh into today’s Jewish world.

WHO IS RUNNING TURKEY TODAY?

The Doenmeh (the crypto jews of Turkey) movement is an important phenomenon which occurred during the late times of the Ottoman Empire. Nevertheless, this important phenomenon of the Ottoman history is never taught in Turkish schools, and never allowed to be mentioned in media. Never ever... Not even a single word! One may wonder why this important part of Ottoman history is never mentioned in Turkish classrooms while Turkish children have to learn and memorize lots of unnecessary details about Ottoman history and, in particular, recent Turkish history, and even details about the pre-Turkish civilizations that existed in Anatolia.

Why is the Doenmeh (doenmeh derives from the turkish word 'dönme') movement unworthy to teach Turkish school children? Why is it simply ignored?

The answer is very obvious: The Doenmehs took over the Ottoman Empire on its late time, disintegrated it, and then established a new regime under the name "Turkish Republic". The leader of the new regime, dictator Mustafa Kemal, was an ardent Doenmeh (secret jew). In order to conceal his Doenmeh identity, he even adopted the last name of "Ataturk", which means "Father of the Turks". And Turkey is still ruled and governed by these secret jews today. As long as they are in power, Turkish school children will never get a chance to learn this important phenomenon, the Doenmeh movement, which played an important role during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and during the establishment of the new regime.

The Turks can learn their true history and the role the Doenmehs played in their history only from the books written by Westerners, especially from the books written by Jews. What a tragedy!

So who are Doenmehs? What did they do? What is the difference between a Doenmeh and a typical Jew? Who were the "Young Turks", most of whom consisted of those secret jews...
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thats's brilliant!
then holocaust is a lie either. why the hell germans would wait so long? right?
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Спросите у этого гагашика кто-нибудь, за каким хреном его любимый ататюрк приговорил к смерти энверов, талаатов и всех прочих ублюдков. Там и обсудим - лай или не лай. тоже мне - знаток!
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Barakyat is this a rhetoric question? If so don't waste ur time.
Otherwise change the size of ur fonts and try be extremely kind to us.
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