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Old 11.07.2002, 07:54   #16
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Hello

Thanx za vash otvet

po povodu pritupleniya effecta pri daily rassilke, ya s vami soglasen

budet delat' weekly, posmotrim kakoy effect eto dast

Chestno govorya ya ne sovsem ponyal, chto vi imeli vvidu etim predlogeniyem (Etot fact + chto vashi vse visotori iz-za bugra priblizitel'no poxozh na kartinu on Circle za 1-10 July... no dumayu, chto eto mojno obsudit' uje vne foruma.
about programmer.am:
ImHO, takix sitov v reytinge nemalo(nu 2-4 kak min). utvergdat', estesvenno ne mogu, no kogda odnin site moget za 2-3 chasa sdelat' 200 uniqal, a vse ostal'noye vremya "na zaslujennom otdixe" navodit na opredelenniye misli... (osobenno posle prosmotra dannogo site...)
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Old 11.07.2002, 08:56   #17
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2 Davi

Ya paru raz delal rassylki i ArmenianHouse na 2-3 dnya vzletal na 5-yu poziciju

Snyal schetchik s foruma (ostavil tol'ko na home page) i ushel v glubokoe-daleko

O rassylkax:
Ya gde-to chital, chto po statistike luchshe vsego rabotayut rassylki s dvyxnedel'nym periodom. Ne pomnyu otkuda informacia, tak chto nado k nej otnositsya s dolej skepticizma...
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Old 11.07.2002, 10:13   #18
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2 Groul

A chto za rassilku ti delal??? otkuda podpischiki ??? ot maillist serverov??? and kakoye kolichestvno podpischikov???
pochemu ya zadayu... da, potomu chto v slovax MR. Avagyana o visheumomyanutom 25% -ax, est' dolya pravdi (

u nas neskol'ko rassilok..(ne tol'ko med news). po odnoy rassilke (tematika dovol'no popular ! ), tak daje pri kolichestve 800-> chelovek... daje samiye "luchshiye counteri" (ne v obidu circle.am ), v samiye luchshiye dni dayut ne bolee 50 (na eti stranisi, kotoriye reclamiruyetsya v dannoy rassilke)
tak, chto 10 %... eto naverno ... max...

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luchshe vsego rabotayut rassylki s dvyxnedel'nym periodom
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seychas, uje neskol'ko dney tak i rabotaem...no k sogaleniyu... opit v nashem sluchaye pokazivayet, chto luchshe esli daily
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Old 13.07.2002, 01:49   #19
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Rassylka byla o sozdanii ArmenianHouse i eshe odin raz o bol'shom obnovlenii.

otkuda podpischiki
Kommercheskaya tayna. Eto byli e-mail addressa armyan, tak chto procent polozhitel'nyx otzyvov byl velik. Esli on tebe nuzhen, skazhi, eti rebyata ego prodayut.

kakoye kolichestvno podpischikov???
Okolo 8,000 naskol'ko mne izvestno. Ya delal rassylku na 2000 chelovek, no potom priostanovil, potomu chto iz otklikov chitatelej ya ponyal, chto est' problemy s navigaciej i funkcional'nostyu site a...

v slovax MR. Avagyana ... est' dolya pravdi :-
Estestvenno. Pravda nado delat' popravki na auditoriyu: esli ty postoyanno rassylayesh message "Another cool saving offer" shirokoj auditorii, to response budet 1-2% v luchshem sluchaye. Esli zhe eto budet razovyj "4 Armenians killed in Ukraine" poslannyj armyanskoj auditorii to response budet 50-60%.

u nas neskol'ko rassilok... 10 %... eto naverno ... max...
Opyat' taki zavisit ot regulyarnosti, auditorii a takzhe CONTENTA... Esli u tebya vostrebovannyj content to % MOZHET BYT' bol'she...

opit v nashem sluchaye pokazivayet, chto luchshe esli daily
Mozhni li oznakomitsya s textom rassylok? Mozhet smogu chto-nit' posovetovat'?

(Tol'ko ne nado mne na nee podpisyvat'
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Old 13.07.2002, 17:03   #20
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Nu ti daesh Groul !!!
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Tol'ko ne nado mne na nee podpisyvat'
ya chto ostavil u tebya vpechetleniye cheloveka, kotorii sdelaet takoye>>>??? spasibo ...

Krome vsego etogo ti putaesh neskol'ko vagnix veshey ...esli "tvoya" rassilka (o kotorom ti govoril), ne vajno o chyem eto: "Another cool saving offer" or"4 Armenians killed in Ukraine", to v lyubom sluchaye eto nazivaetsya spamom (ili opt-in esli ne oshibayus;, bulk mail....itd)... a to , o cheyem ya govoril (v chastnosti moyi rassilki) lyudi podpisivayutsya sobsvennoruchno- v zdravom ume and soznatel'no. (predvaritel'no ne delaetsya nikakoy reclami or spam "tipo togo, kak u nas otkrilas rassilka.. zayditi k nam and obyazatel'no podpi****es' ..

k spamu u menya otnosheniye dovol'no dvoyakoye... s odnoy storoni, ya poniamyu naskol'ko on effectiven (rech idyet o pravil'no zadumannom spam reclame), s drugoy storoni ... do six por ne delali... esli daje seychas mi zaxodit etogo sdelat' skoree vsego ne poluchitsya. cherez nedelyu mi uxodit s Arminco hostinga.
NU a to, chto bilo za za eti 20 -30 dney ...

Po xodu dela vopros, kak mogno opredelit' kakoy hosting nam vibrat' ???
Seychas est' predlogeniye ot 4 firm (Uk and USA) , and i don't know kak opredelitsya ???

xochesh posmotret' rassilku ... NP
'Медицина: хиты новостной ленты'

1. statistikua mogesh posmotret' sdez'http://www.maillist.ru/cgi/stat.cgi?list_id=50819 & zdes' http://content.mail.ru/stat/dynamic_7189.html ...

arxiv rassilki sdez' http://content.mail.ru/arch/arch_7189.html...

k sogaleniyu v poslednii mesyas iz za problem svyazannix s arminco mi uje ne v sostoyanii bili sdelat' daily.

2. the second rassilku mi vedyem tol'ko neskol'ko dney (xotya uje 800 -900 podpischikov)... ya tebe otpravlyu PM-ov. Prosto, esli MEd news eto vse taki uzko naplannost' imeyet, to the second one... ne obladayet dannimi "-" -ami...

no, to li iz za togo, chto eti konkretniye stranisi, kotoriye reclamiruyetsya v dannoy rassilke, naxodyatsya iz za predel dental.am ... to li ne znayu ...pochemu otklik ...opyat' je ne velik
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posle podsheta moix log-ov i pokazanij shetchika Avetis K. Avagyan-om on poluchil sleduyushie rezul'taty:
ya privozhu ego pis'mo:
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1.
ya ispol'zoval webtrends (v4.5) s defoltnimi nastroikami chtobi
proanalizivorat' log file.

2.
Ya sravnival dannie dlia 1-2 July, tak kak dlia togo chto-bi sravnit'
dannie proshlogo mesiatsia (30 June) mne nuzhno budet simportivorat' bazu
proshlogo mesiatsa - chto trudoiomkaya vesh - propustim.

Hosts:
Statistiku po IPs webtrends ne daiot, tak chto pro hosts govorit' ne
budu.

Hits ili na samom dele page views: poskol'ku ti postavil circle
banner tol'ko na front page, poetomu dal'she vsio pro front page tol'ko:

pageviews dlia frontpage for 1+2 July:
po logam - 1,248
po Circle - 917

esli uchest' chto v Circle (kak i drugix rating systems) ogranichenie 60
sekund mezhdu hits (page views) to sovpadenie sovsem ne ploxoe ya dumau.

Visits ili user sessions dlia frontpage dlia 1-2 July:
po logam - 198 (Monday), 160 (Tuesday)
po Circle - 276 (Monday), 254 (Tuesday)

Tak chto tut Circle pokazivaet dazhe bolshe chem log file )
Ya znau chto eto za anomalia - u tebia mnogo ochen' dolgo sidiaschix na
saite clientov, webtrends ix scitaet za odnogo tak kak mezhdu
ix obrasheniami men'she 30 minut. V Cirle cherez 30 minut etot user
chitaetsia drugim... Ya mog bi priderzhatsia toi zhe strategii chto i
webtrends, no ya reshil chto tak kak v Armenii mnogo FreeNet userov u
kotorix vsego 30 IPs (dial-up) + 16 IPs (public sait), to vozmozhnost'
togo chto drugoi user s tem zhe IP vlezet na tot zhe sait velika, i
luchshe Circle pust' zavishaet chem primen'shaet.

Itogo, kak vidish Circle sovsem ne tak rasxoditsia v tsifrax (po krainei
mere vniz) kak kazalos'. Esli zhe smotret' za ves' sait to raznitsa
rastiot (tochnee tsifri Circle ne meniautsia a log-ovskie estestvenno
rastut). Tak chto v osnovnom problema bila iz-za togo chto banner bil
tol'ko na front page a logi daut stats na ves' sait.
ya tozhe proanaliziroval svoi logi, i rezul'taty okazalis' prakticheski te zhe.
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