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Old 30.06.2002, 20:44   #1
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Angry What does it mean???

kto-to mozhet ob"yasnit' kak eto poluchaetsya??:
ya ni razu ne videl na etom chate bolee 2-x chelovek

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Old 30.06.2002, 21:14   #2
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[email protected]

ind tvum a iranc circle-i banner-@ teghadrac a mek ayl shat traffic unecogh "axpor" eji mech
ete iharke @ndegh iskakanic kich mard a mtnum.
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Originally posted by Edgar Maroukian:

ind tvum a iranc circle-i banner-@ teghadrac a mek ayl shat traffic unecogh "axpor" eji mech
net, tam pri registracii nado ukazыvat' na kakoy stranice stoit banner, (naverno proveryayut referer-a)
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... ili script dlya nakrutki kakoj-nibud'
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Old 01.07.2002, 04:57   #5
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Hi

Chto eshe krome etogo oni delayut, i don't know.
tol'ko za segodnya ya poluchil 2 spama ot nix (bolee interesen "napisannii" back email -- to li [email protected] to li na [email protected] -tochno ne pripomnyu)

Tol'ko vot odno no... spami na razniye emaili, and obe na *.ru
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Old 01.07.2002, 06:03   #6
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Mda, esli spam mozhet takoe vytvoryat' to eto stanovitsya interesnym
mne kstati samomu prishlo ot nix odno pis'mo, no na freenet account.
ya tut reshil posmotret' est li pogreshnosti v rabote shetchika circle.am, postavil ego na paru dnej sebe.
poka chto vret
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Itak ya dva dnya proderzhal shetchik circle.am u sebya na glavnoj stranice hay.am, i mogu skazat' odno vret strashno... Pri chem voobshe ne mogu ponyat' chto tam imeetsya vvidu pod "hosts" v rating-e, to li kolichestvo unikal'nyx posetitelej, to li kolichestvo unial'nyx IP. Esli pervoe to togda on zanizhaet rating raz v 3-5, esli 2-oe togda zavyshaet. kolichestvo "hits" voobshe xronicheski zanizhaetsya tozhe raza kak minimum v 3. A ved' moya stastistika ne uchityvaet moix sobstvennyx "hits" (okolo 100 v den'), v to vremya kak circle.am lishen etoj vozmozhnosti, t..e. fakticheski ya dolzhen byl poluchit' na circle bol'shee chislo hitov chem v svoej statistike, odnako vse vyshlo naoborot.

v na 3-ij den' pered tem kak snyat' ix shetchik s sajta ya poproboval i zashel na sajt s 5-ti raznyx IP, odnako kolichestvo hosts uvelichelos' na 2.

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Esli vrut SpyLog i Rambler, to chto trebovat' s circle.am?
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Old 06.07.2002, 17:39   #9
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Zdor`ovo,
Popitaus' otvetit' na vse voprosi srazu:
1. Sait: Forum. Chat.
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Kak mozhno zametit' na Circle, rating etogo saita sovsem ne visok - v summarnom rating-e za mai on bil 62-im esli smotret' po hosts, 67-im esli po visits i 78-im esli po hits (dlia sravnenia acid.land.am forum bil sootvetsvenno 10-im, 8-im i 5-im). Tak chto rating kak vidite vesma sredni' chto sovpadaet s zayavleniem Mr. Koopera chto on tam bolee 2-ux chelovek odnovremenno ne videl. To chto v tot konkretni' den' rating etogo saita vzletel neponiatnim obrazom otlichno sovpadaet so skazannim Mr. Davi o poluchenii ot nix spama. Skazhu ya vam chto eto 100% fact dlia lubogo saita - esli sait rassilaet kuchu spama (s reklamoi saita), to zhdite rezkogo rosta v rating-e. No etot visoki' rating proderzhitsia 1-2 dnia i snova spadaet po obichnogo. Ya i sam mnogo let imel "information bulletin" (ne SMAP a realnix podpischikov na news (okolo 1000 chelovek)) i skazhu vam, chto na sleduuschi' den' posle rassilki chilso posetitelei vozrastalo na 200-250%. Potom za 2 dnia snova spadalo. Tak chto tut vsio viazhetsia.

2. Circle.Am: tochnost' dannix:
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Razumeetsia Circle ne mozhet bit' takim tochnim kak vashi log file-i. Odnako on sovsem ne plox. Paru raz vladeltsi sait-ov utverzhdauschie chto Circle vriot posilali mne svoi log-i i sravnenie pokazivalo otlichnoe sovpadenie. Kooper, mne kazhetsia esli ti posmotrish opredelenia dlia hosts, visits i hits na FAQ Circle-a chast' voprosov otpadiot. Naprimer o hits:
Ti govorish chto "hits" na Circle dolzhi bit' bol'she chem v tvoix log-ax. Eto ne tak - iz-za raznitsi v terminologii Log file-ax i Rating system-ax. V log-ax luboi zapros (dazhe for images) est' hit - esli ya zaidu na tol'ko main page tvoego sait-a i tol'ko odin raz, to u tebia v logax dobavitsia 10-50 hits (zavisit ot tvoego design-a). A v Circle tol'ko +1 hit. Potom, esli ti budesh bistro begat' ot stranitsi k stranitse to u tebia budut bistro nabegat' hits v log-e, a Circle budet zhdat' 60 sekund mezhdu hits. Eto ogranichenie 60 sekund vidumano ne mnoi - ono obzhee dlia vseh rating systems i imeet ochen' normalnoe tolkovanie (ne budu tut rasprostraniatsia).

Ya postayanno sravnivau dannie Circle i Spylog dnia pari saitov - vsio Ok.

A vaabshe est' escho massa drugix prichin dlia raznitsi (no ne bolshoi) dannix log file-a i Circle. Privedu nekotorie iz nix:
1. U vas posetitel' ne iz armeni-i, on bistro probezhal po stranitse i ushol - zapros k Circle ne ospel dobratsia (malen'kaya veroyatnost')

2. Vash kanal UP a moi DOWN (ochen' malen'kaya veroyatnost')

3. Vas poseshiaut spider-i - v vashix logax eto ostaiotsia, a u menia net (chto pravilno) (bivaet).

i t.d.

Daite mne znat' esli chto ne tak ili est' voprosi. Vsegda rad obsudit' (i podpravit' Circle esli chto ne tak).

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Old 06.07.2002, 19:18   #10
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Avetis jan spasibo za otklik, no:

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Ti govorish chto "hits" na Circle dolzhi bit' bol'she chem v tvoix log-ax. Eto ne tak - iz-za raznitsi v terminologii Log file-ax i Rating system-ax. V log-ax luboi zapros (dazhe for images) est' hit - esli ya zaidu na tol'ko main page tvoego sait-a i tol'ko odin raz, to u tebia v logax dobavitsia 10-50 hits (zavisit ot tvoego design-a). A v Circle tol'ko +1 hit. Potom, esli ti budesh bistro begat' ot stranitsi k stranitse to u tebia budut bistro nabegat' hits v log-e, a Circle budet zhdat' 60 sekund mezhdu hits.
ya imeyu vvidu ne klick v access.log, a imenno zaxod na main page saita. u menya tozhe stoit na pervoj stranice logger kotorye schitaet zaxody na pervuyu stranicu. U menya takzhe pishutsya vse IP adressa, s kotoryx byli zaxody, eti dannye ya mogu prislat' esli trebuetsyaa, s kakix stranic byli zaxody, it.d. i t.p.
pogreshnosti vse taki slishkom veliki. Ya ne imeyu vvidu imenno mesto v raiting-e, ya imeyu vvidu kolichetvo.
S uvazheniem!
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Kooper,
esli ne trudno, i esli ti ne protiv, poshli mne na mail ([email protected]) vtoi server log file na tot period kogda u tebia bil Circle banner installed. Posmotrim kakova raznitsa i pochemu ona voznikaet.

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Hello Avetis K. Avagyan

Vopros daje ne k rabote circle.am otnositya, a k vashim slovam:
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Ya i sam mnogo let imel "information bulletin" (ne SMAP a realnix podpischikov na news (okolo 1000 chelovek)) i skazhu vam, chto na sleduuschi' den' posle rassilki chilso posetitelei vozrastalo na 200-250%. Potom za 2 dnia snova spadalo.
vot u uje 3-ii mesyas u nas rassilka(daily) "med news".
chislo podpischikov po dvum maillist serveram bolshe 2000.(dlya sravneniya tol'ko na maillist.ru za 1800- http://www.maillist.ru/cgi/stat.cgi?list_id=50819 i eto posle zachistki mertvix addressov mesyas nazad [maillist.ru regular eto delaet].
esli daje predpologit', chto tol'ko 25% real'no smotryat online rassilku, to eto uje 400 hosts... chego k primeru cirle.am nikogda ne daval...
eto k Vashim slovam
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posetitelei vozrastalo na 200-250%
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U vas posetitel' ne iz armeni-i, on bistro probezhal po stranitse i ushol - zapros k Circle ne ospel dobratsia (malen'kaya veroyatnost')
Spravedlivosti radi na skazat', chto armenian subscribers vsego ... 2 .
May be eto i est' otvet ?
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Hello Avetis K. Avagyan

Vopros daje ne k rabote circle.am otnositya, a k vashim slovam:
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Ya i sam mnogo let imel "information bulletin" (ne SMAP a realnix podpischikov na news (okolo 1000 chelovek)) i skazhu vam, chto na sleduuschi' den' posle rassilki chilso posetitelei vozrastalo na 200-250%. Potom za 2 dnia snova spadalo.
vot u uje 3-ii mesyas u nas rassilka(daily) "med news".
chislo podpischikov po dvum maillist serveram bolshe 2000.(dlya sravneniya tol'ko na maillist.ru za 1800- http://www.maillist.ru/cgi/stat.cgi?list_id=50819 i eto posle zachistki mertvix addressov mesyas nazad [maillist.ru regular eto delaet].
esli daje predpologit', chto tol'ko 25% real'no smotryat online rassilku, to eto uje 400 hosts... chego k primeru cirle.am nikogda ne daval...
eto k Vashim slovam
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posetitelei vozrastalo na 200-250%
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U vas posetitel' ne iz armeni-i, on bistro probezhal po stranitse i ushol - zapros k Circle ne ospel dobratsia (malen'kaya veroyatnost')
Spravedlivosti radi na skazat', chto armenian subscribers vsego ... 2 .
May be eto i est' otvet ?
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v Dogonku...
Kstati, interesnii fact...
site http://www.programmer.am/, kotorii u vas (na circle.am), neskol'ko dney zanimayet s 2-5 mesta.
posmotrel segodnya site ... nichego nexochu skazat' po povodu site-a... cirlce dayet na segodnya [353 357 379], eto pritom chto naskol'ko ya ponyal counter tol;ko na first site.
ryadom krasuyetsya counter mail.ru [170:119], iz kotorix 10 visitom, tol'ko v moyu korzinu ...

Spamov ne vidal ot nix, togda kak je ???
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Privet,
1. Mi s Kooper-om poka razbiraemsia - kak tol'ko budet otvet napishu.
2. dental.am. 25% po moemu menmogo mnogovato - kogda rassilka daily to effect pritupliaetsia (zavisit konechno ot materiala rassilki). Etot fact + chto vashi vse visotori iz-za bugra priblizitel'no poxozh na kartinu on Circle za 1-10 July:

Hosts
+----------+
| 179 |
| 174 |
| 213 |
| 218 |
| 144 |
| 242 |
| 250 |
| 307 |
| 223 |
| 198 |
+----------+

Visits
+----------+
| 190 |
| 186 |
| 223 |
| 238 |
| 158 |
| 261 |
| 261 |
| 323 |
| 232 |
| 259 |
+----------+

Hits
+----------+
| 264 |
| 260 |
| 290 |
| 378 |
| 270 |
| 345 |
| 331 |
| 453 |
| 306 |
| 374 |
+----------+

3. programmer.am
Spasibo za podskazku - oni deistvitel'no moshennichaut - ya im poslal poslednee preduprezhdenie. Ya dolzhet pridumat' sistemu automaticherski loviaschuu moshennikov Poka ruki ne dobralis'.

Vsego,
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