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Old 03.06.2002, 01:54   #16
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A voobshe na kakoy email tebe napisat'?
Po povodu {Kstati xochu cherez paru nedel' proizvedu polnuyu pereindeksaciyu, ochen' li mnogo izmennenij na saite???}
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Ya chut' so stula ne upal. Srazu vidna ruka mastera. No ya tebe ob"yasnyu po mail-u pochemu ya shas ne smogo ispol'zovat' etot design.
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2 Aramix, a mozhet ty eshe po linkam klikat' pytalsya??? LOL A cveta my u omen.ru svorovali))
I pochemu na odnom iz tvoix sajtov tak ispol'zuetsya oranzhevyj??? Tebe glaza ne zhalko???
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I pochemu na odnom iz tvoix sajtov tak ispol'zuetsya oranzhevyj???
zato krasivo
i so vkusom, odnako

Pro http://212.73.71.158/new/ molchu
no mojet vse taki naymete normal'nogo web designera?
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pochemu bi tebe ne ispolivat tyomno krasniy tsvet ?

primer http://www.ArmenianVip.com ?

ili je seriy s belim ?

primer http://www.Armenner.com

nashot joltogo xotyabi matoviy joltiy
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Old 03.06.2002, 08:08   #25
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Esli chestno ya ne doveryayu mneniyu aramix-a po odnoj prichine, on umudrilsya oxayat' proffesional'nyj design (plagiat))) . Mne voobshe pokazalos' chto eto on tak vyrazhal svoyo chustvo yumora)) Bylo ochen' smeshno .
Na ego zhe oranzhevyj sajt v dejstvitel'nosti trudno smotret'. A esli uchityvat' tot fakt, chto sajt kommercheskij, to reshenie o cvetovoj gamme bylo ochen' neproffessional'nym (eto yz zayavlyayu kak specialist po marketingu), on ottalkivaet. Tekst chitaetsya s napryazheniem, i eto ne tol'ko moe mnenie o sajte http://www.solaren.am/
Dalee, na vsex stranicax zdelannyx im, carit kakayato pustota, oni ne zapolneny soderzhaniem (faktichski nikakoj interesnoj koncepcii po soderzhaniyu on ne nashel). Dalee: na trex stranicax dominiruyushim yavlyaestya chernyj cvet, s kotorym garmoniruet prakticheski lyuboj drugoj cvet, t.e. ili u "dizajnera" otsutstvuet chustvo cveta, ili on poprostu boitsya eksperimentirovat', a znachit nalico otsutsvie progressa.
I pod konec dobavlyu, poseshaemost' vsex sajtov naxoditsya na ochen' nizkom urovne, iz vsex shetchikov naibol'shee znachenie ravno 400. T.e. chelovek ne v sostoyanii prodvigat' svoi sajty i oni nikomu ne interesny . Dlya sravneniya zajdite na http://freenet.am/~gameland i posmotrite na chislo poseshenij, kotorye byli v rezul'tate tol'ko 2-x postingov vo freenet news, i odnogo postinga v knowhow (i eto pri ploxom designe).
U aramx-a neploxo poluchayutsya collazhi, no znaete oni u menya poluchayutsya ne xuzhe, odnako ya sebya webdesignerom ne ****ayu
Po moemu mneniyu, to chto on moderator imenno etogo razdela nepravil'no, poskol'ku zdes' dostatochno lyudej, kotorye dejstvitel'no delayut prevosxodnye sajty

Nashet novogo designa hay.am. Ya link vystavil ne dlya togo chtob ego kritikovali, a dlya togo chtob okonchatl'no ubeditsya, chto nikto menya ne obvinit v plagiate s plagiata) Ya eksperementiroval s cvetami dostatochno (proboval i krasnyj i svetlo zheltyj, i dazhe korichnevyj). Ya xotel ispol'zovat' sine serye tona, no potom reshil vse taki ispol'zovat' imenno kriklivyj zheltyj cvet . Nyneshnij layout sajta uzhe okonchatel'no soglasovan, nravitsya on ili net, i do tex por poka sajt ne budet zakonchen polnost'yu v smysle soderzhaniya i servisnyx sluzhb, on ne budet preterpevat' skol'ko nibud' znachitel'nyx izmenenij v designe. Lish posle etogo ya sobirayus' snova zanyatsya designom.
Ot Groula ya segodnya poluchil prevosxodnuyu zagotovku dlya hay.am (tanx to Groul), i esli on pozvolit, to navernoe ona i lyazhet v osnovu novogo design-a. I eshe ya ochen' nadeyus', chto design budu delat' ne ya (ya povtorayu, ya nikogda ne pretendoval na rol' web designera) .
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Прет.
С первого взгляда намного лучше первой версии. Но есть пара замечаний.
1. Лого. Сайт весь на английском. Почему на лого АРМЯНСКИМИ буквами написанно HAY EM??Я понимаю что сайт то армянский, но все равно не смотрятся эти армянские буквы там. Придумай что нибудь другое.
2. Слева красивая панель навигации, НО середняя и правая часть сайта, ВААЩЕ не смотрятся. Особенно эти СИНИЕ линки на БЕЛОМ фоне в середине. На Yahoo.com смахивает. Кроме того линки поставь по центру колонки. Почему они прикреплены к ЛЕВОЙ части, и поменяй цвета.
3. Hay.am MetaSearch
Kooper kak vidish on "professional'niy web design (vorovanniy)" ne oxaival, naoborot eta chast' emu ponravilas' a na vse ostal'noe (to est' vashe rodnoe) napisal spravedlivuyu kritiku.

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eto yz zayavlyayu kak specialist po marketingu)
Pust' specialist@ po marketingu firm@ solaren delayut kakie libo zayavleniya naschet ixnego site-a, rabotodatel' dovolen, znachit rabota sdelana. Soglasen, text ne ochen' xorosho chitayeca, no eto ne content site kak govoritsya, i tam osobo nechego chitat', i po moemu mojno prinesti chitabel'nost' v jertvu xoroshemu designu v dannom sluchae. To je kasaetsya i vsex [email protected] site-ov aramx-a, naskol'ko ya ponyal on ix delal radi designa a ne dlya togo chtob@ donesti kakuyu libo informaciu.
Naschet posechaemosti, eto tut voobche prichem? u google.com posechaemost' [email protected] chem u vsex design site-ov vmeste vzyatix, eto razve delayet te site-@ ploximi?
I eche... Prosmotrel http://freenet.am/~gameland kak je posle etogo t@ mojesh kritikovat' site-@ aramx-a? Ya konechno ponimayu flash eto kruto (created by Kooper) no vse taki...
Ya vse eto pishu ne potomu chto znakom s aramx ili t@ mne ne nravishsya, a potomu chto davno uje zametil chto v etom forume poyavilos' ochen' mnogo [email protected] na site-@ [email protected] esli i imeyut esteticheskoe pravo na suchestvovanie, to eche slishkom nedorazvit@ chtob@ poyavlyatsya v topicax tipa "zacenite design - http://www.freenet.am/~tasteless"
gde je skromnost'? v@ snachala sdelayte site kotoriy ponravitsya kak minimum eche dvum lyudam krome vas a potom tol'ko [email protected] na obozrenie i jdite poxval.
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1. Лого. Сайт весь на английском. Почему на лого АРМЯНСКИМИ буквами написанно HAY EM??Я понимаю что сайт то армянский, но все равно не смотрятся эти армянские буквы там. Придумай что нибудь другое.
nazvanie Hay.am eto est' igra slov, i armyanskie bukvy eto vyrazhayut.

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2. Слева красивая панель навигации, НО середняя и правая часть сайта, ВААЩЕ не смотрятся. Особенно эти СИНИЕ линки на БЕЛОМ фоне в середине. На Yahoo.com смахивает. Кроме того линки поставь по центру колонки. Почему они прикреплены к ЛЕВОЙ части, и поменяй цвета.
zajdi syuda i posmotri http://www.focalmedia.net/tbsampledir.html na raspolozhenie linkov. mne shablon dali uzhe parkticheski nabrannyj. Kstati a takoe ponyatie kak "Yahoo style directories" znakomo.?
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I eche... Prosmotrel http://freenet.am/~gameland kak je posle etogo t@ mojesh kritikovat' site-@ aramx-a? Ya konechno ponimayu flash eto kruto (created by Kooper) no vse taki...
Ya kazhetsya otmechal chto sajt ne yavlyaetsya sverx obdesignennym. ya poprosil posmotret' na poseshaemost'.

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Pust' specialist@ po marketingu firm@ solaren delayut kakie libo zayavleniya naschet ixnego site-a, rabotodatel' dovolen, znachit rabota sdelana. Soglasen, text ne ochen' xorosho chitayeca, no eto ne content site kak govoritsya, i tam osobo nechego chitat', i po moemu mojno prinesti chitabel'nost' v jertvu xoroshemu designu v dannom sluchae.
Nashet meniya firmy soglasen,eto ix delo, nashet chitabel'nosti nesoglasen.

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v@ snachala sdelayte site kotoriy ponravitsya kak minimum eche dvum lyudam krome vas a potom tol'ko [email protected] na obozrenie i jdite poxval.
Ya i ne zhdal poxval. nashet poxval i ponravitsya http://www.hay.am/cgi-bin/guestbook.cgi tam kazhetsya bolee 2-x lyudej vyskazalos'
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1. KAK MNE NE INTERESNO!!!
Khochetsya konstruktivnykh obsuzhdenij, a vse tol'ko zanyaty vypendrezhem... ochen' zhal'. Kuda tol'ko sam ACID smotrit

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>"rabotodatel' dovolen, znachit rabota sdelana"
NE SOGLASE v korne.
Ty znaesh', chto u menya bol'shoy opyt po videoreklamam. Sayt, reklama, i dazhe design etiketki yavlyaetsya treugol'nikom: tri storony ego - eto konechno ZAKAZCHIK, DESIGNER, i KLIENT!
Poslednee zveno ty upustil!. Vse tri storony dolzhny byt' ravny! To est' ya imeyu v vidu, chto besvkusnomu zakazchiku chasto mozhno sdat' besvkusnuyu rabotu, kotoraya ne budet RESHAT' ZADACHI! A reklama, etiketka, design na zakaz v bol'shinstve sluchaev dolzhny IMENNO RESHAT' ZADACHU!
Eto vse ya govoryu po "gaghaparu"... to est' mne lichno SOVERSHENNO PO FIG, chto tam govoryat pro moy proekt hay.am tem bolee chto esh'e do togo, kak Kooper poyavilsya v forume sayt byl, im pol'zovalis', dobavlyali link-i, iskali.. smotreli pochtu... to est' on rabotal.
To, chto o HAY.AM stol'ko protivorechivykh vyskazyvanij - menya OCHEN' RADUET!
potomu, chto vy vse podtverdili cho HAY.AM SOSTOYALSYA!
I pozhaluysta, ne zanimaytes' vypendrezhem (k Kooperu tozhe otnositsya), zanimaytes' delom.
A to takoe osh'ush'enie chto u vas v detstve vederki pootnimali, vot vy tol'ko i zanimaetes' tem, chto dokazyvaete, chto drugie lamery, a vy kruche vsekh. Forum "gaghaparov" ne dlya etogo.
i esh'e... o lamerakh... kogda my poprosili Nareka Avetisyana i Nanu Aramyan (xtati oba uchastniki vsemirnogo bienalle po sovremennomu iskusstvu ot Armenii v raznoe vremya) razrabotat' nam logo (imenno tu samuyu kirpichnuyu stenu)... mne ochen' ponravilos' kak oni otneslis' k voprosu. Snachala sprosili:
- ochevidno nazvanie "hay.am" podazumevaet chto-to ironichnoe, ne tak li? i navernoe sayt bolee orientirovan na molodezh'? I togda my vbrali koncepciyu "GRAFITTI" iz neskol'kikh variantov.
A vo vremya raboty my s Kooperom ubedivshis' svoimi glazami, na svoey shkure, kak dvoe khudozhnikov s zakhlamlennym kompyuterom, kotoryj inogda s trudom rabotal, s massoy iconok na desktope, s fading effectami i dazhe so screen saver-ami blagodarya svoemu vkusu i beshennomu vladeniyu photoshopom delauyt takoe, chto nam s
Kooperom OCHEN' ponravilos' - i my by nikak nikogda ne sdelali... a schitaem sebya "prodvinutyim" rebyatami )) tak chto takoe lamer? - eto poslednee durackoe vyrazhenie pridurkov, kotorye stradayut samomneniem ot
togo, chto oni neskol'ko luchshe drugikh znayut o kompyuterakh i goryatsya etim. nechego gordit'sya... vse znat' nevozmozhno i nel'zya unizhat' lyudey ili izdevat'sya nad nimi tol'ko potomu, chto oni ne umeyut programmirovat' ili ne imeyut glubokikh znanij o registre ili o *nix-e

kompyuter - eto jkhoroshji insrument - ne bolee togo - i ne imeya mozgov, talanta, vkusa - smotrya chto bol'she nuzhno - nichego ne sdelaesh'.!

I esh'e: u armyan est' krutoy nedostatok, kak u nacii: oni topyat drug druga. Dazhe Leonida Engibarova http://www.armenianhouse.org ili http://freenet.am/~le prosto vyzhiliiz Armyanskogo Cirka, i on rabotal gde ugodno, no tol'ko ne predstavlyal Armyanskij Cirk. (yes voch mi kerp chem hamematvum L. Engibarovi het)... ili pomnite, v FN news-akh nekaya "khackerskaya" gruppa Argishti khvastalas' tem, kak oni polomali Armenian Freenet... lomali by chto ni bud' drugoe, ne Armenian naprimer... i uzh nikak ne FREENET, iz kotorogo bol'shinstvo iz nas (dumayu ne oshibus') prishlo k internetu.
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Es qo vra zarmanum em Arm, gorc chunes anelu?
Ay mard uporny gorc es anum, chem asum lav designa te vat, bayc de amena glxavor@ vor gorc es anum. Petqa qez?...
Es inch qan post em arel im gorceri masin, misht inch vor kritikaya ekel enpes ankap mardkancic ( ne na kogo ne namekayu ), vor es iranc tegh@ amanchum ei. Lyudi kak mozhno kritikovat' cheloveka, esli vash portfolio sostovlyaet 2-3 site-a, prichem svoix. Mozhet chelovek uchitsya na arxitektora ili designera, no opyt igraet ochen' vazhnuyu rol' v lyubom dele. Isk aystex shat knereq amen erkrord@ iran drela Lebedevi tegh@...PPL jan, nasobachtes' v etom dele, a potom davayte sovety, t.k. ochen' mnogie site-y sdelannye vami imeeyut ochen' mnogo oshibok ( prakticheski vo vsex site-ax otsutstvuet strategicheskaya model' postroeniya ) i imeeno nad nimi vy dolzhny rabotat', a ne zanimat'sya kritikoy.
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Neznayu, skol'ko tebe let and kto ti po spesu..., no naverno iz vsex postingov na temu kotorii ya otkril (xotya ot pervonachal'noy temi ushli ... da i slavo bogu ), no bolshe vsego mne ponravilsya tvoy reply. a s nekotorimi tvoyimi mislyami ya bolee chem soglasen.

1. yavlyaetsya treugol'nikom:
2. ne zanimaytes' vypendrezhem(vas v detstve vederki pootnimali, vot vy tol'ko i zanimaetes' tem, chto dokazyvaete, chto drugie lamery, a vy kruche vsekh.) !!!
3.I esh'e: u armyan est' krutoy nedostatok, kak u nacii: oni topyat drug druga
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"misht inch vor kritikaya ekel enpes ankap mardkancic" - v etim ti prav na 100% po xodu etix postingov na forumax, ya inogda xoju po linkam na ix site ) inogda, daje smeshno, kogda kto to govorit s takix visot, no ix site-i v takom g...e, chto daje Ya sdelal bi luchshe
Vot iz za chego, ya nikogda nikogo ne kritikuyu s professional tochki zreniya. na moy vzglyad, "pravo" na takuyu kriticu imeyut ot sili 3-5 chelovek, kogo pochti ne vidat' zdes'..

drugoye delo viskazivat' svoye mneniye... no izvini pls, viskazivat' svoye mneniye and kririkovat' eto sovershenno razniye veshi.
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