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Old Aug 9, 2002, 01:38   #1
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Post обсуждаем арм. фонетическую раскладку

высказывайтесь, что кому не нравится (неудобно) в традиционной (winkeys, kdwin) раскладке? мое мнение:
неудобно, что 'у' приходится набирать двумя символами, а значок 'пьюн' дублируется. пусть он тоже будет, для западных армян, кажется, он нужен как отдельный знак, но вместе с тем пусть 'u' будет 'у' одним знаком. разве так не удобнее?
не нравится, что r = твердое 'р', а не мягкое - ведь вторая буква гораздо употребительнее, и ее легче набирать с клавиши 'r', а не '8'.
что вы думаете на этот счет?
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Old Aug 9, 2002, 04:26   #2
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Думаю претензии абсолютно обоснованы.
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Old Aug 9, 2002, 06:14   #3
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Hi

estex mec harc es barcacnum, vor etenc aselov miangamic 4i lucvum , esorva drutjamb standartneri komitejum ajs harcov zbaxvum en , bajc tarber karciqner kan u vo4 mekn el 4i zi&um

mjus koxmic ete da fonetik e pekte vor r-i tal 'r' lini vo4 te 'p'.

ete qez hamar harmar 4i etenc ogtagorcel@ karox es kdwin-i mej texer@ poxel , kam ogtagorces nls, bajc entex el 'ev' tar 4ka , erevi arevmtahaer en stexcel.
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Ed standartizaciai komitetin gndkaharel e petq...

Namanavand vor hima nor standart en araj tanum ArmSCII-16, vory Unicodi het vonc vor te ankax e linelu! Nman absurd menaq mer "hancharnery" karox einq mtacel.

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Ari ban chpoxenq, eli.... Arden sax sovorel en...
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A chto vi dumaete ob Armkbd? Ili eto Pochti odno i toge?
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chto takoe armkbd?
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Old Aug 17, 2002, 19:03   #7
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A chto vi dumaete ob Armkbd? Ili eto Pochti odno i toge?
не знаю, но вряд ли будет что-то лучше, чем системная реализация. кстати, такой момент: на всех ли системах семейства windows системная раскладка кодируется в юнокоде? если нет, но есть ли проблема переносимости текстов между системам?
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Originally posted by groul:
Namanavand vor hima nor standart en araj tanum ArmSCII-16, vory Unicodi het vonc vor te ankax e linelu! Nman absurd menaq mer "hancharnery" karox einq mtacel.
а что, нет никакого шанса этому воспротивиться? например, просто забойкотировать ее (и заранее пригрозить этим, объяснив причины)?
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Ya soglasen chto Kdwin-ovskaya raskladka nemnogo neudobna, no vsezh taki KDWin velikaya vesh. Ya ego russkim rebyatam pokazyval, oni v vosstorge. fakticheski xorosho zanya odnu raskladku, mozhno legko perejti na drugie 2.

a vot po povodu armyanskix standartov, v obshem ArmSCII-16 nuzhno gnat' podal'she. a to shas i tak cherti chto tvoritsya s kodirovkami.
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Luchshij sposob, eto ego proignorirovat' i zapuskat' instrumenty dlya podderzhki Unicode.

Na dannyj moment Eddi realizoval uzhe:
1. virtualnuyu klaviaturu na Java i Flash s podderzhkoj Unicode
2. convertor ArmSCII (KDWin) -> Unicode
3. Phoneticheskuyu raskladku dlya Win2000, WinXP
4. I eshe chto-to

Hayk Chamyan
1. Virtual Keyboard na Javascript, a takzhe gotovit script s dokumentaciej dlya svobodnogo rasprostraneniya sredi webmasterov
2. convertor (poka testiruetsya), budet open source
3. convertor s translita po standartu amerikanskoj bibliotechnoj associacii.
4. eshe chto-to, uzhe ne pomnyu

Levon (familiyu ne znayu)
1. Virtualnuyu klavu na Flash
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Kstati, naskolko mozhno zaklyuchit' po sluxam, ed ArmSCII-16-y uxaki hertakan byudjetain (utelu) cragir e.

Inch anenq, menq enq anelu...

U chnajac Eddin u Chamiany arajin 10 ropeum irar het xosaluc sksecin vichel, bayc nuynisk arandzin-arandzin es mi erku amsum aveli shat gorc en arel, qan te sax gosstandarty ira byujeov.
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molodcy rebyata
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Deystvitel'no, chto vy dumaete ob Armkbd?

Ya kak nashel etu progu vykinul WK32, NLS i Kdwin (ego ya vykinul gorazdo ran'she - chasto veshaet MsWord, da i tyajelo gruzitsya) kuda podal'she .

Armkbd dobavlyaet v sistemnykh raskladkakh armyanskuyu i russkuyu foneticheskie. V Win 9x
rabotaet absolyutno korrektno, naskol'ko znayu, est' versiya i pod NT/2000.

Sam@y svejiy file iz installyacionnika datirovan 19.04.98.
Mojet ne budete izobretat' velosiped, a dorabotaete staryj?
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Nikto velosipeda ne izobretayet. Pered tem kak chto-to delat' rebyata popytalis' kontaktirovat' s avtorami KWWin i ArmNLS i oba otkazalis' vvodit' podderzhku Unicode.

Chto kasaetsya armkbd - vpervye o nej prochital v etom topice.
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Hi

KDwin uni unicodei poderzhka
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