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Old 02.04.2002, 03:20   #1
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Delo v tom, chto malo-mal'ski znakomyj s etim protokolom chelovek ne stal by utverjdat' o nalichii/otsutstvii vozmojnosti monitoringa kakix-libo parametrov cherez SNMP. Etot protokol iznachal'no zadumyvalsya kak narashivaemyj. Ego vozmojnosti ogranichenny lish' nalichiem sootvetstvuyushix fajlov/bax MIB na konkretnoj mashine.....
Ne sovsem polnostyu soglasen.
Ogranicheno ne tol'ko nalichiem etikh MIB baz, no i vozmozhnostyu DYNAMICHESKI izmenyat' eti parametry. V sluchae s IPTTl - s toboy polnostyu soglasen. V sluchae s MAX threads i MAX open files - IMHO (ya seychas royus' v MS-ovskikh MIB) net.
Bolee togo eti optsii IMHO NEL"ZYA vynosit' v protocoly udalennogo upravleniya, v silu ikh slaboy za****y.

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Old 02.04.2002, 03:29   #2
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Ya pokopalsya v tom linke chto ty poslal, i ne nashel nikakoy informatsii otnositel'no MAX open files i MAX active threads.

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Old 02.04.2002, 04:34   #3
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A vot, kak raz i bolee prodvinutyj administration/control tool..

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...sms21_8ncj.asp

Microsoft SMS Server. Integriruetsya v OS. Pozvolyaet kontrolirovat' absolyutno vse..

Prichem, esli pokopaesh'sya glubje, obnarujivaetsya, chto cherez nego mojno imet' dostup i k SNMP/MIB dannym. T.e. eto universal'naya console dlya dostupa ko vsem parametram systemy.
Vse administrirovanie delaetsya cherez Microsoft Management Console, plyus, est' dostup cherez COM (to est', programmka/manager mojet byt' napisana na lyubom yazyke)
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Old 02.04.2002, 07:07   #4
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Sir, mne kazhetsya diskussiya zashla v tupik.
Ya tebe skazal, chto Windows v otlichii ot *NIX semeystva (v chastnosti Linux i FreeBSD) ne imeet interface-a dlya DYNAMICHESKOGO izmeneniya 4-kh parametrov. Ty mne dokazal vozmozhnost' DYNAMICHESKOY manipulyatsii 1-oy iz etikh 4 peremennykh s pomoshyu programm NE vkhodyashikh standartnuyu postavku OS(snmp client est' v Resource KIT). Bolee togo, dlya dokazatel'stva tvoego utverzhdaniya my potratili dostatochno vremeni.
Sushestvovanie SMS eshe ne yavlyaetsya dokazatel'stvom togo, chto OS imeet vstroennie mekhanizmy dynamicheskoy manipulyatsii etimi parametrami.
Ya ne ochen' silen v design-e system ot Microsoft. No ya zznayu ob etikh ogranicheniyakh.

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Old 02.04.2002, 07:50   #5
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Diskussiya dejstvitel'no zashla v tupik, no, po neskol'ko inym prichinam:

1. Oznakom'sya, pojalujsta, povnimatel'nee s dokumentaciej na SMS. V chastnosti s ob'ektami, expoziruemymi SMS Server - om.

2. SNMP klient, kak ty zametil, vxodit v postavku Resource Kit. No my je sporim o texnicheskix vozmojnostyax, a ne o principax formirovaniya distributivov. Dlya togo je Linux - a est' mnojestvo distributivov s sovershenno raznym napolneniem.
Po krajnej mere, dlya menya neochevidna neobxodimost' vklyucheniya SNMP klienta v distributiv Windows. I ne dumayu, chto vozmojno priznanie ochevidnosti.

3. Mne ne sovsem yasno, pochemu imenno 3 parametra ukazannye toboj? Vidish' li, sravnivat' OS v takom razreze predstavlyaetsya mne ne sovsem korrektnym. Ibo, uveren, mojno najti mnojestvo nastroek/vstroennyx vozmojnostej v Windows, kotoryx net v *nix.

Ya ne yavlyayus' ubejdennym storonnikom *nix ili Win32. Primenyayu obe platformy po-neobxodimosti.
Edinstvennoe, k chemu prizyvayu: "Ne stoit kritikovat' sistemu, s kotoroj neznakom dostatochno xorosho..."
V konce koncov, v nachale spora ty sam vyskazal dostatochno zdravuyu mysl' o sferax primemeniya OS.
I poslednee: v poslednee vremya nablyudaetsya dostatochno rezkij rost Windows-installyacij v kachestve servernoj platformy. SUN - je, naprimer (kak odin iz samyx populyarnyx proizvoditelej servernogo soft/hard) ne vydvigaet chego-libo novogo na protyajenii dostatochno dolgogo vremeni. Pomoemu, ix zvezda, potixonechku, zakatyvaetsya.
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Old 02.04.2002, 07:55   #6
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Da, vot eshe:
Mnogo vremeni na dokazatel'stvo moix argumentov my potratili iz-za togo, chto ni ty, ni ya ne yavlyaemsya Windows adminami. Ya - Windows-develper. Sootvetstvenno, mne prixodilos' iskat' client-tools, ispol'zuyushie te API, kotorye mne izvestny.
Zamet', vse, chto nado ya nashel u Microsoft.
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