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Xelo piply, interesno uznat' vashe mnenie po povodu nashei armii, pravil'no li ustroena nyneshnjaja sistema voinskoi sluzhby, chto by vy izmenlil v nei, kakim by vy xoteli ee videt'. Ja lichno schitau chto objazan sluzhit' kazhdyi, no esli po kakim-to prichinam xochet uklonitsja ot sluzhby (ne imeu vvidu fizicheskie problemy, skoree vsego moral'nye), to dolzhen platit' kakuu-to summu gosudarstvu, chtoby mozhno bylo nanjat' kogo-to drugogo na ego mesto. Skazhem eto budet "poluprofessional'naja armija". I eshe malen'kij opros naselenija po teme segodnjashnei sistemy. |
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Консервативн Join Date: 01 2002 Location: Кавказская Албания
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Ludi prestavti situaciu: Programist okonchil instut, on uje sostoyavshisya programist...i vdrug babax..idet v armiu..i predpolojim, k sojaleniu ne zanimaetsa tam koputerami....vse eto uje propavhsi specialist. |
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По поводу нашей системы в армии,я считаю не нужно изобретать заново велосипед,а нужно перенимать опыт успешных и эффективных систем армий других стран,например Израильской армии. | |
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hex god Join Date: 03 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Age: 42
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Poprobuju poschitat' koe-kakie pljusy i minusy na sobstvennom opyte: + 1. Posle armii ty raz i navsegda ot ne izbavljaesh'sja. 2. Kak eto ne banal'no zvuchit, no armija dejsvitel'no - luchshaja shkola zhizni (po krajnej mere dlja), poskol'ku zhizn' poznaetsya v sravnenii, a stol'ko ploxogo kak v armii, ty bol'she nigde ne uvidish'. - 1.Zhutkoe psixologicheskoe sostojanie v techenii 2-x let. Ploxo... potom snitsya... 2. Kak ni staraesh'sja no suxim iz vody ne vujdesh' - sovest' budet obyazatel'no za chto-nit' muchat'. 3. Tuxnesh' 2 goda, xotya ja sam byl v armii na kompjutere i professional'no dazhe razvilsja a ne naoborot. No vse-taki na moj vzgljad tuda pojti i poterpet'. Potom v osnovnom budesh' vspominat' tol'ko xoroshee ![]()
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Люди я в этом году заааакааааааанчиваю ... НЕ ХОЧУ ТУДААА ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Davajte vzglyanem na problemu s takoj storony: Nyjna li armiya srednestatisticheskomu armyaniyu 20-25 let jivushemu v Yerevane (naprimer). Imeetsya vvidu, zainteresovan li etot individuum v slujbe v armii? Sootvetstvuet li eta slujba ego interesam? |
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U menya svoya tochka zreniya po etomu voprosu.... ne xochu ee navyazivat'... Delo v tom chto sluzhit' mozhet i nado, NO dlya KOGO...dlay zhirnix i opuxshix nachalnikov garnizonov...i ostalnix golovorezov i prestupnix elementov? Esli chelovek specialist v svoei oblasti, i mozhet pristupit' k poleznomu trudu, i plyus k etomu sobiraetsya prodolzhat' uchibu(+ platit' na nee- platnoe mesto), naprimer, to zachem gnat ego v armiyu???? Eto zhe ABSURD, kak minimum MARZM! Davaite podoidem k voprosu chisto progmatichno, a ne tak chto, kto i gde stanovitsya nastoyaschim muzhchinoi(bez obid): 1. On teryaet kvalifikatsiyu, i vitekayuschie otsyuda posledstviya..... 2. Dva goda on ne rabotaet, t.e. on ne uchastvyet v ekonomike strani, dlya nee on UMER, a eto oochen' pagubno skazhivaetsya na ekonomike i strane v tselom. Poyasnyu: - rabotaya on poluchaet zarplatu, potom tratit eti den'gi....t.e. oborot tovarov, uslug i opyat' deneg. Eto zhe ozhivlyaet nashu ekonomiku, i bez togo podixayuschuyu. I nakonets predpolozhim on platit nalogi. Sled. on prnosit pribil' gosudarstvu!(Ksati korotomu na nas vsex nachixat'). 3. Obrazovanii chelovek prineset bolshe pribili naxodyas' ne v armii a na grazhdanke. 4,5,5.6...Ix mnogo....prodozlu pri diskusii ![]() 2 Griffon2-7 A chto kasaetsya vashego skazannogo - " + 1. Posle armii ty raz i navsegda ot ne izbavljaesh'sja. " Eto echo BOLSHOI vopros!!!! ![]() Chego uzh mi ne navidelis' ot nashego pravitelstva...ot nego vsego mozhno ozhidat' ![]() 2 Medved Kosolapiy Tebe udachi... 2 RETAL Sorry... chto vi govorish???? Kak polezno, dlya kogo polezno???? Dlya menya, dlya buduschego novobrantsa??? No gosudarstvo ne obo mne zhe dumaet kogda prizivaet menya v armiyu??? lol ![]() V smisle ne dumaet zhe ono o tom kogda ya stanu muzhchioi...ili chto vi pod etim podrazumevaete, polezno? Pozhaluista skazhite...mozhet vi i pravi... 2 Vikont naschet " И я после института служил в армии и что с того?!Если каждый будет себя считать незаменимым и состоявшимся специалистом,то кто в армии тогда будет служить?! " Te kto ne yavlyayutsya imi... Ili professionali svoego voennogo dela. Kstati esli komu to iz derevni predlozhit $100-$250 v mensyats...vse pobegut v armiyu. Pochemu bi ne izdat' zakon - pati i ne lyuzhi, kak govotit z0mbie! 2 Hovik Budem zhdat' chto skazhet RETAL. Escho raz povtoryus' - eto obchuzhdenie voprosa, i nichego lichnogo. To GREAT ALL Ksati podnemu drugoi vopros! Nuzhna li armenii takayu bolshaya, po mashim merkam, armiya?
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hex god Join Date: 03 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Age: 42
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to Talex Odno malen'koe zamechanie naschet togo, chto ekonomika strany mnogo teryaet ot togo, chto specialisty idut v armiju. Te firmy, rabota v kotoryx dejstvitel'no dejstvuet na razvitie ekonomiki v etoj strane, na 90% trebujut togo, chto by postupajushij na rabotu uzhe otsluzhil v armii. Rech' idet ob armjanskix organizacijax. A takim kak HPL i t.p. po fig dannoe obstoyatel'stvo... I eto pechal'no |
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hex god Join Date: 03 2002 Location: Yerevan, AM Age: 42
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to Talex - 2 Nu nashe pravitel'stvo - eto konechno odin bol'shoj sjurpriz ![]() |
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2 Retal Soglasen s Tumanyanom naschet otsutstvija argumentacii... Otricatel'nyx dovodov v pol'zu armii (takoj, kakaja ona sejchas) mozhno privesti v neskol'ko raz bol'she, chem polozhitel'nyx. ![]() Naskol'ko ja ponimaju vy v Armii sluzhili, no tam vam ponravilos'... Mozhno uznat' kogda eto bylo i v kakom zvanii? 2 Talex Uchityvaja, chto u nas na granice pochti na 100% real'naja boevaja obstanovka - to est' neobxodimost' v takom kolichestve voennosluzhshix. |
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Problema armii v tom, chto s tochki zreniya armejskogo nachal'stva eto ne sila, obespechivayushaya bezopasnost' strany, a istochnik doxodov. Ya ne pretenduyu na rol' sud'i v etom voprose.. Obrashu vashe vnimanie tol'ko na odno protivorechie: "Zapravily armejskogo biznesa" postoyanno utverjdayut o skorom reshenii "voprosa armii". S odnoj storony, xochetsya im verit', a s drugoj -prixodit v golovu mysl': "A zainteresovany li oni v reshenii etogo voprosa?" Otvet odnoznachen - net. Kstati skazat', dostatochno interesno etot vopros osveshen u Gilyarovskogo ("Moskva i moskvichi"). Rekomenduyu oznakomit'sya. 2 Griffon2-7: Pomoemu, nashi pozicii v voprosax Rodina-armiya (a oni, pomoemu, neotdelimy drug ot druga, esli rech' idet o molodyx lyudyax let 20-i v Armenii) nashi pozicii sxodyatsya v odnom: "Rodinu lyubyat ne potomu, chto...., a vopreki" Udachi, Hovik
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